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Replace Fluorescent Light Fixtures?

02/27/2008 1:09 AM

Below is a real situation, but the paradigm for decisions is more important.

Two new ceiling light fixtures were installed 10 months ago. Lights were used less than 2 hours daily, but they are turned on and off 3 cycles/day. The fixtures each hold 2 concentric circular fluorescent bulbs, 4 prongs per bulb. One fixture's bulbs just died; the bulbs are COSTLY. The bulbs may have a short service life, or the initial bulbs may be inferior. The replacement bulbs claim 4 years (6 hours/day).

I have 2 working fixtures, since I replaced the defective bulbs. (1) Should I buy different fixtures? The alternative is using the current fixtures until their true service life is learned. Can I "Google" to learn reliable information about light fixtures?

A = likelihood of Russ (electrician & friend) having the time to install new fixtures. If I do not buy new fixtures ahead of time, I might have to pay a second person $100 and have a dark room for a month.

B = likelihood my current fixtures have a short service life.

C = cost of the replacement fixtures ($30 for two).

D = cost of fluorescent bulbs ($13 for each current fixture; $1 or $2 in new fixtures).

Assume I am not "risk adverse" (For example, those who won't bet the family farm regardless of odds); nor am I "risk seeking" (For example, those who participate in lotteries with lousy odds).

Logic, intuition, emotions and counsel have limits. The Bible has almost nobody's full name in it. Decision-making applications are endless. Here are a few:

Two job offers, and the more interesting job has 25%–75% chance of long term funding. The less interesting job has "certain" long term funding. You have no idea where to go for wise counsel. You are 50 years old.

Two job offers (You are 23 years old). Your father advises you to take the job he correctly mentions you are less interested in.

Asking a woman for a date (I am a man) without her being beyond the acquantance level of familiarity.

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Re: Replace Fluorescent Light Fixtures?

02/27/2008 6:03 PM

Yeah I got four with U tubes over a spiral stairwell. With little to no room to swing them open to replace the bulbs. Been looking for alternative lighting. These lights stay on 24/7.

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03/01/2008 3:11 PM

Do you intend to buy a fixture using incadescent light bulbs and substitute the spiral fluorescent bulbs that can be substituted? Replacement is easy. I assume the spiral bulbs are what they claim (23 watts used to give the illumination of 100 watts)?

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02/27/2008 11:22 PM

An interesting set of questions.

Many electronic devices exhibit "infant mortality" ie they fail early in use or they keep going forever. But like many of these problems it's impossible to assign a rating/probability to the events and desirability of each outcome, so the correct course of action isn't obvious.

If it was at work where safety is paramount and I'd be spending someone else's money I'd replace everything. At home I'd wait to see if it happened again.

I'm a bit mystified about the statement "The Bible has almost nobody's full name in it". How would a holy book help you decide what the best course would be?

Best of luck with the dating. ffeJ

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02/28/2008 1:30 AM

My dear people.... I too have struggled in the past with odd fluorescent lighting, well, pretty much any type of electrical lighting, but I must tell you something positive.

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03/01/2008 1:20 PM

I agree and that site is mind boggling

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03/01/2008 3:32 PM

Let me know if you find promising technology for home or commercial use. David Quey [email dcquey@earthlink.net or ph 206.362-4095 in the USA]

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02/28/2008 8:14 AM

The fluorescent lamps you have described are circuline and are very inefficient and have a low lumen output and high failure rate. Find a fluorescent fixture with 4ft T8 lamps at 32 watts each lamp. The lumen output will be almost twice the light output at the same wattage and have a 20,000 hours of operation term for 6 switching cycles in a 24 hour period. and cost less. With a .88BF ballast the lamps will operate at 28 watts and produce approximately 2500 lumens per lamp.

Most circuline ballast have a low power factor which consumes possibly as much as 25% more wattage then the rated lamp wattage.

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03/01/2008 3:07 PM

Yours is a great answer, for areas of my home that my wife ignores. My wife wants "nice" fixtures, not shop lights, for living areas. The NIV Bible (Colossians 3:19) says, "Husbands, love your wives (one wife per husband) and do not be harsh with them". Therefore, I am more likely to live successfully to not get cheap looking fixtures using straight 4 foot fluorescent bulbs.

Your answer would cost $110 per fixture. It is unlikely to ever be worthwhile to switch fixtures. $100 buys a lot of inefficient circuline bulbs at 15 cents/KWH.

Questions:

1. Is it reasonable the new (Phillips brand) circuline bulbs will be replaced free if I fax the manufacturer with the receipt within the next 4 years (they have a 4 year warranty)?

2. Is it best to buy fixtures using incadescent light bulbs and use spherical fluorescent bulbs ($1 each) that burn 23 watts and illuminate like 100 watt incadescent bulbs? I have a 75% chance I can get fixtures ($15/fixture) before the circuline bulbs burn out if I start looking now.

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03/01/2008 4:08 PM

Jesus said - "Who so ever shall profess Me before men," i.e., confess his love not merely by his words, but by everything he does.

If my wife liked the current fixtures I'd keep them and suck up the cost. On the other hand if could I'd find something more economical at www.jkllamps.com possibly LED, then build an enclosure with decorative style and be done with it.

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02/28/2008 10:51 AM

It may or may not be the bulb itself that is causing this problem. The ballast may be bad.

All lamps have rated lifes. These are based on averages and of course some falter early.

I'd recommend changing the bulb first. If that fails early, check the ballast or find an alternative fixture.

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03/01/2008 3:45 PM

The replacement bulbs have worked for over a week. If the ballast is bad, would the replacement bulbs work this long?

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02/28/2008 6:49 PM

often these small lamps have ballasts rated 14-21W or some such range. If the bulb is 14 watt, the ballast may over drive it and allow excess current, which will drastically shorten the life of the lamp.

Why is this done? bad design or ?? Of course, I may be wrong, suggest you read the ballast raing and compare to bulb rating. Solution...? are there bigger bulbs in terms opf watts you can buy with the same fit?

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02/28/2008 8:23 PM

Forget about the bulbs, take the better job offer, and ask the woman for a date, but only if her name is in the Bible.

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