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Marine cartography and bottom profiling

03/08/2008 4:26 PM

Hi all,

My cousin has, for some six years now, a small business at the Black Sea, of hydrographyc carting and bottom profiling with gps positioning. Recently he invested all his money in some new equipment (gps and profiling). He now faces a job in which he has to do the bottom profiling on the continental platform of the Black Sea, with depths of up to 150ft (50meter). Some people remember of a metal pipe, about 6inch (10cm) diameter, buried some 3-6 ft (1-2 meters) in sand. His new and expensive profiling equipment might miss such a small diameter of the pipe.

My question and cry for help is this: Is there a such underwater metal detection device that can be trailed on the bottom, at a speed of max 3 knots (3 nautical miles/hour)? Are there any suggestion on how to detect, while running and doing the profiling jobs, that bloody pipe? (which might not even exists!).

And when you think that in my rookie engineer years I did exactly what he is doing (on a DECCA HYFIX system), working for a company, at a low salary....I wish I was back in those days...

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Re: Marine cartography and bottom profiling

03/08/2008 6:39 PM

Sry, the only thing I can think of is a hyper sensitive, directional MAD Towed array. Sorry I don't have any more info, but being ex Navy and on a frigate (read sub chaser or target, your choice, both correct), it's the only thing I currently know of.

You might check out this link.

MAG Detection would probably work, but at low speeds mag has a tendency to get very sensitive (what I know about it) and can produce a lot of false positives.

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Re: Marine cartography and bottom profiling

03/09/2008 10:17 AM

Hi Tomkaighin,

I liked the article that you have indicated. The most important, for me, was the info about sensitivity threshold related with the distance from the target.

Thank you

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Re: Marine cartography and bottom profiling

03/09/2008 8:33 AM

Here on the east coast of Florida, virtually all the treasure hunters I know of who work the 1715 Plate Fleet wrecks around Sebastian and Vero swear by http://www.jwfishers.com/. Go to their "Ask the Experts" page and submit your question to the people that make this kind of stuff. It sounds to me like you are looking for a magnetometer towfish, but ask the people at Fisher's.

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03/09/2008 10:24 AM

Yes, this is the way I followed and I came with three towed devices, one magnetometer (Proton 4) and two metal detectors )Pulse 10 and 12) made by JW Fishers. It seems that one of them will be the choice. The question is which. The magnetometer has a range of 1500 ft, that indicating that can sense the dental fillings of Neptune, the others are far less sensitive but could be more suitable for the our target (6 inch diameter pipe).

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03/09/2008 10:47 AM

Two other companies you could try for Magnetometers are Shark Marine Technologies

and Marine Magnetics.


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03/09/2008 11:14 AM

The SeaSpy seems to be the most sensitive, so far. I don't know, yet, if the signal obtained has all the gray area of intensity, from white to black. This is an important feature for me. I don't know what is the signal level that you should look for when searching for a 6 inch diameter pipe, a dime, or a ww2 tank.

As any company which doesn't think too much how to save your time, they both don't post the price, which could be a decision factor.

I will talk, tomorrow, with all these guys and, hopefully, I'll be more knowledgeable.

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03/09/2008 12:09 PM

Shark Marine apparently offer complete survey packages for hire, lease or sale - the first two options might be worth considering.

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03/09/2008 12:19 PM

It is a good idea to lease. Tomorrow I will explore all the possibilities. Thank you.

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03/10/2008 4:16 PM

It's done. SDM-4000, from Shark Marine Tech. I hope that I will get it tomorrow. For my cousin this is the best performances x price product.

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03/10/2008 4:23 PM

Good stuff!! Let us know how it all works out.

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