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Global Warming Poll

06/07/2006 9:25 AM

I have some acquaintances who are adamant that global warming has no link with human activity. How about a poll to determine how many (if any) CR4 users feel this way?
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I believe that human activity:
1. Has no effect on global warming
2. Has about a 25/75 effect on global warming
3. Has about a 50/50 effect on global warming
4. Has about a 75/25 effect on global warming
5. Is the major cause of global warming
6. I reserve judgement/don't know

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#1

Global Warming

06/07/2006 10:40 AM

I suppose arguing what's to blame for global warming is an improvement on whether global warming exists.

I believe #5, we are mainly responsible for the current climate changes on earth.

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Re:Global Warming

06/09/2006 2:17 PM

Seriously believe we have much to learn about climate; but am afraid we are asking the wrong questions; 1. Is there anything other than killing off our population and civilization and returning to hunter/gatherer that we can actually DO about global warming? 2. Can it be done in a timely manner, and effectively? 3. How will I employ thousands of environmental pundits if we fix global warming? Or more properly asked: Can we get reasonable debate and policy in a situation so ripe for self-agrandizement? There is a lot of money involved in anything like a solution, can it be well spent when we know so little and have so many with loud voices and no better information? When it pays so well to clamor alarm, when we are talking about really expensive solutions; who can you trust to tell what little we know for sure?

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Global warming

06/07/2006 10:44 PM

Human activity is the major cause (5)

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Re:Global warming

06/07/2006 11:13 PM

6 - I reserve judgment. And I'm not sure the discussion isn't meaningless. The earth's magnetic poles seem to be flipping again (we're a quarter million years overdue). The field has lost 10-15% of its strength just in my lifetime. Over then next couple of thousand years, this is going to swamp all other environmental factors.

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Re:Global warming

06/07/2006 11:25 PM

i would rather blame the Dangerous quality of humans thats EVER INCREESING GREED & SELFISHNESS which is contributing to Global worming

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#4

Global warming exists, as does global cooling

06/07/2006 11:23 PM

Documentation of long periods of global weather perturbations (measured in centuries) do not yet exist. Global temperatures rose about 0.3 degrees from 1860 to 1990. There is evidence now that in the last few years that there has been some global cooling. Certainly there may be some effect on the planet's weather cycles but we probably won't know in our lifetimes (except for the junk science mongers, who seem to have it all figured out: "publish or perish" is more dangerous than politics). I've seen it estimated that the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 caused more global change than man has caused in his entire history; the average global temperature fell by about 0.5 degrees C immediately after. As with most annoying polls, an accurate or common sense choice is not listed, only the emotional ones.

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Re:Global warming exists, as does global cooling

06/08/2006 1:17 AM

I'm gonna have to go with 6. We definitely need to clean up our act, but there have been too many "public science" hoaxes in the past for me to believe the boy who cried wolf. Mount Erebus is now said to be the cause of the "ozone hole" not CFC refrigerants. There is a lot of money to be made from hoaxes, and the greenies seem to be in step with the biggest businesses.

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Re:Global warming exists, as does global cooling

06/08/2006 7:50 AM

I agree. While every activity has to have a certain effect on everything else, global weather cycles have apparently been going on for longer than man has been around to affect them.

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Re:Global warming exists, as does global cooling

03/06/2008 8:26 AM

Global Warming and Global Cooling will continue long after man is gone.

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of John Coleman. He used to be a TV Weatherman here in Chicago. I heard him on the radio yesterday talking about Global Warming and CO2. He basically said that Al Gore should be arrested and charged with fraud for selling Carbon Credits, when he clearly knows that Global Warming is a hoax.

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Not enough Info

06/08/2006 8:46 AM

The problem with today's world is that we have lost patience we are "jumping to conclusions" with out the necessary data to back up our theories. We "now" have delicate enough sensing equipment to measure this climate/weather changes. I am a 6 - reserve judgement, for another 100 years.

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#9

Global Warming

06/08/2006 8:57 AM

I am more along the #2 group. We need to keep cleaning up our act for polution reasons but I am not canvenced we have much to do with the big picture.

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Re:Global Warming

06/08/2006 9:08 AM

4. Has about a 75/25 effect on global warming.

From the standpoint of physical science, it would seem at odds with observation to conclude that human activity has NO effect.

Carbon Dioxide has a higher heat capacity than "air", deforestation removes the ability to regulate both temperature at the surface and the ability to fix CO2, blacktop and concrete creat very efficient heat storage at the surface, increased particulates and NxOy compounds have an effect...so with all those changes it seems logical to assume that something has to change...but I also think that the earth is subject to temperature cycles.

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Re:Global Warming

06/08/2006 9:25 AM

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/volcano.html

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Global warming affected by human activity?

06/08/2006 10:23 AM

#6 for me. The jury is still out on this one. Until we have an accurate means of modeling the system, all "answers" in regard to this question are conjecture.

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Global Warming

06/08/2006 10:32 AM

Definite 5. The biggest problem on earth today is the number of people, period. Population over growth seldom gets addressed.

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1. Has no effect on global warming

06/08/2006 11:39 AM

We recently had a visit from the local meteorologist to discuss the upcoming tornado season (Texas). He was asked whether, as a weather scientist, he bought in to the global warming ideas. He though that the theories should not be discounted with continued research. However, he also made the following points. 1) As recently as the 1960, global weather scientists were sounding the alarm for the "Next Ice Age." 2) It was only 10 years ago that the El Nino/La Nina weather cycle was discovered in the pacific. I have also read reports that seem to show that rain forests produce as much greenhouse gas through decomposition (as CH4) as is removed through Photosynthesis. I personally like the story by Steven Milloy in his "Junk Science" column. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html Finally, I believe that there are many pollutants that have a direct, acute and measurable effect on the environment. These pollutants, such as NOX, SOX, PM, and certain heavy metals, should be dealt with swiftly. Global Warming via excess CO2 emissions is not measurable, quantifiable, or verifiable at this time and any attempts to control something that is not measurable, verifiable or quantifiable will most probably fail. The weather guys can't even get tomorrow's forecast right. Why should we think that they can tell what will happen to, fifty of a thousand years from now. To be able to determine what happened two hundred years in the past or what will happen in the future. The models will have to be so accurate as to predict with 99.9999% certainty what will happen in the next ten minutes.

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Global Warming Poll

06/08/2006 11:42 AM

Many scientist are accounting about how the emission of gas is affecting the solar radiation adsorbtion. Reflect on this simple idea: the solar energy is diluted, difficultly you can warm up a house only with the energy arriving on its roof. It is true the opposite: much of the heating of a house is dispersed on the air. Not only: all the transports, industrial activities and works are using energy, which at the end is transformed into heat. Our planet is a space ships with the heating system switched on at maximum, how is it possible not to expect it to warm up ? At a scientific conference someone said: "There is need for a development that is not increasing the energy consumption." Very difficulkt topic. . . .

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Re: Global Warming Poll

11/21/2007 11:23 PM

You are right Giuseppe:

Solar radiation has not been harmfull -ever since- to our planet, but it is the solution to global warmig:

I am conservative but not stupid and 100% sure that global wanming is Man-made, no doubt.

Dont get mixup as all reporters of news, they are the childs, since there is not EL NIÑO effect nor the green house effect either, but the global warming is true and we all can help if we focus on the facts as follows:

WORLDISGREEN.COM...BUSSINESS STRATEGY & SUSTAINABILITY, SEPT 3, 2007

GREEN HOUSE EFFECT IS FALSE

IT IS A TRICKY SENTENCE THAT PETROLEUM GUYS WANT US TO BELIVE IN, TO CONFUSE EVERY BODY

- IT IS A CRAISY IDEA to send satelite MIRRORS to BLIND AND REDUCE incoming solar energy to avoid climate change -due to a mitic green house effect-.... Sun has never been harmfull to Earth....... Sun Radiation is in a perfect Thermal Equilibrium with Earth ever since. is`nt it so?............ we Humans are the danger to earth..

REAL CAUSES:

Real causes are down here, where HUGE amounts of waisted heat from more than 6 billions tons of hot gases -per year- are generated while burning fuels -in motor vehicles, water heaters, boilers, thermoelectric generators, driers, ranges, ovens, etc-. We dont have to be scientist to understand a math equation, showing that the problem results from the extra added heat to atmosphere:

IR sun energy + extra waisted heat from burning fuels = atmosphere overheating

= more evaporation = denser clouds = flooding storms = polar deice = actual kaoz

- Do you know what happen now that petroleum XX century is gone and Solar XXI century will replace fuels-WITH FREE AND CLEAN NATURAL ENERGY?- ......very simple.....the depleted AND EXPENSIVE petroleum will go down to 1 dollar per barrel and that will crack petroleum industry....... See? ...ENERGY will be free then, and peaple will save money to buy many thing else -as a free-maintance electric car ----and so on----- politically impossible?....IT SEEMS LIKE FICTION MOVIE….....but there are...

TWO SOLUTIONS:

1. Urge to replace all combustion devices, equipments and engines -WITH SOLAR AND ELECTRIC POWERED ONES-.

2. As well as urgent is to reforest the world with billions of trees – they are magic factories that will clean air from CO2, by:

Sucking CO2 + Absorbing solar UV and solar heat = to return us pure and fresh OXIGEN -instead-

Trees never heat the air -so- the craisy green house effect does not happen -that's a lie-

The true is that are cooking our self's in this global pot, due to PETRO-effect -nothing else-.

HOW YOU CAN HELP? :

- I urge any body who has responsability of enviromental care and have funds -you must support any projects where products (vehicles or equipments) pursue this change over -to a new solar and electric eco-culture-.

-I urge Presidents all -to issue compulsory regulations to stop using any apparatus, device or engines where combustion of fuels take place -of any hidrocarbons (liquid or gas) alcohols, biofuels, carbons or hidrogen too- because all react exothermicaly generating the hot gases that over-heat the air -depleting oxigen O2 and ozone O3 as well while they burn to CO2 -which ixcess is getting a letal concentration level, too-.

  • Now, I hope you understand it better -the real global warming problem- & communicate it to all your friends -what is going on- to become more that GREEN peaple -but ECOLOGY ORIENTE PEAPLE, co-responsible- don't relay on heaven help, only. PLEASE STOP BURNIG FUELS guys.

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Global Warming

06/08/2006 11:51 AM

I'm more of a 1.1934. Granted, we really do need to 'clean up our act', but considering that in a second or two a single event in nature can far exceed every thing that man has done over the centuries I cannot believe that we are a significant enough influence to think that we can affect the functioning of the entire planet. Things are happening and climates are changing (and mostly not for the better) but it's more of natural cycle and not man.

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Re: Global Warming Poll

12/10/2006 5:03 PM

Number ONE for sure!

I am not a card-carrying "Expert" on the subject of "Global Warming", however after seeing the Rabble Rouser somehow "self declared" "Father of the Internet, and most self contradictory person ever to speak aloud in my short 58 years, lead the unsubstantiated assault on any human beings "Common Sense", it causes me to DOUBT man made global warming even more!

What REALLY caused me to dis-believe the "Theory of man-caused Global Warming" was a simple look at the Earth, Via our wonderfully designed, and operated "Big Brother" spy telescopes. You know the ones that can read your newspaper when you sit outside on a cloudless day, (better than me without my specs). haha

I was on google satellite view one day, and was amazed by the millions and millions of square miles of OXYGEN generating TREES still standing world-wide, and also isn't WATER (in the oceans) STILL H2O ??

Let all the BRILLIANT MINDS GO FIGURE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Global Warming Poll

02/11/2007 3:51 PM

Number 1 for Sure:

Global Warming?, Global Cooling?

So What?? depleting the ozone LAYER? Is this supposed to mean that someday we won't have any Oxygen in our atmosphere to breath? I think NOT.

Has anyone ever looked at the Google map of the earth?, just even the USA, and seen the amount of TREES, producing OXYGEN??, OR how about the VAST amount of water covering the earth, H-two-0 duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu can anyone say

E V A P O R A T I O N

Maybe when ALL the trees and water are gone, maybe then try to convince me that we will someday 'run out" of OXYGEN........

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Re: Global Warming Poll

02/12/2007 3:39 PM

has a 25/75 effect on global warming - primarily as a result of high flying aircraft

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Re: Global Warming Poll

04/22/2007 5:24 PM

I think that it's <10%, so it's closer to 1. I think the #1 man-made cause is the slashing and burning of the forests in South America.

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Re: Global Warming Poll

03/06/2008 8:12 AM

I go with #1.

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of John Coleman. He used to be a TV Weatherman here in Chicago. I heard him on the radio yesterday talking about Global Warming and CO2. He basically said that Al Gore should be arrested and charged with fraud for selling Carbon Credits, when he clearly knows that Global Warming is a hoax.

Here is a site that link's to John Coleman's original comments about the Global Warming Hoax.

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03/09/2009 9:41 PM

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03/10/2009 1:12 PM

Is the major cause of global warming

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Re: Global Warming Poll

12/09/2009 1:32 AM

Peaple is all mix up with so many wrong news -given by non professional newsman and even from scientist- since even we have diferent point of view (on causes of Global Warming). But, what ever hypotesis you believe in:

1º the emision of co2 and other gases has green house effect that increase temp. This is a fancy gess but not a proben fact.

or

2º the huge wasted energy exhusted as heat -companion of CO2- from any combustion engine (device o equipment) in a rate of 85 million barrelas a day, and acummulated since a century, causes global warming. This is a fact, as real as we can feel it from the hot gases that exhaust our cars.

And -no matter what hipotesis you believe in- the fact is that, both, point that burnt fuel is the Evil that produces both -CO2 a the heat- in huge amounts that unbalanced atmosphere thermodynamic equilibrium, ence, the accion to be urgently taken is to reach CERO CO2 emitions, wich is the same as CERO fosil fuel combustion too.

So, from Copenhagen meeting, leaders should come out with the task to promote use of clean, enless, and free nature`s energy as solar, wind, tide and hidro, to stop global warming and its efffect on climate changes.

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12/09/2009 10:02 PM

The "cause" of man made global warming is greed and fraud. The purpose of man made global warming is to tax you, to limit your freedom, and to support socialism. Al Gore should be arrested and convicted of fraud and sent to jail. The whole thing is a hoax.

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