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Different between ST52-3 and S355M

03/16/2008 5:35 AM

hi all;

i have one quistion if some body can help me? what is the different between steel ST52-3 and S355MC.

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Re: Different between ST52-3 and S355M

03/16/2008 1:06 PM

ask google for both and you will get ALL data you need to make the comparison yourself (i checked it). Why rely upon other when you can do yourself?

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Re: Different between ST52-3 and S355M

03/16/2008 11:17 PM

Just because google has the data doesn't mean that the lay person can derive understanding.

I'll bet that many folks (especially non-native English Speakers) will fail to get that "Thermomechanically rolled" implies microalloyed steels, which will not be evident unless one knows how to read the chems, which aren't patently obvious on the firs t couple of google hits I checked.

Data isn't knowledge.

I'll give better analysis in the AM.

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Re: Different between ST52-3 and S355M

03/17/2008 10:04 AM

ST 52-3 is Werkstoffe number 1.0570 and is an unalloyed plain carbon fine grain steel:

.22 max C, 1.60 max Mn, Silicon killed (max .55 Si) and aluminum grain refined (.020 typical)- .04 max Sulfur and Phos per Stahlschlussel. The high manganese is typical of a tubing recipe and the low carbon allows fabrication by welding. Structural applications are the target for this material. I have seen Plate to this recipe as well.

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Usually there is an N suffix on this grade designation, which means normalised and implies Charpy impact properties. Please see my comments about this grade on another CR4 post: http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/17780/DIN-1629-ST52-Versus-DIN-17121-ST52-3-N

S355M is a microallyed fine grained steel werkstoffe number 1.8823. It is captioned an alloy steel, though I donot see alloying additions high enough to meet that description. This steel is microalloyed (Al + Nb + Va +N) for mechanical properties, and is also optimized for structural uses by welding. Based on the Nitrogen kicker, I'd hesitate to use this material for any application requiring cold work.

heres some data:

Chemical Composition

GradeS355M
WNr.1.8823
StandardSEW 083
CountryGermany
Old / Other nameBStE355TM

Heat Analysis

Element

Symbol

Min.

Max.

AluminumAl0.015
CarbonC0.13
Columbium (niobium)Nb0.05
ManganeseMn1.6
NickelNi0.35
NitrogenN0.02
PhosphorusP0.025
SiliconSi0.5
SulfurS0.015
VanadiumV0.05
C + Mn/6 + (Cr + Mo + V)/5 + (Cu + Ni)/150.4500

Note the carbon equivalent formula to assure safe welding. Some call outs show Copper as high as .50 or .55 that I have seen.

The pragmatic difference between these two grades is that the s355M implies microalloy rolled and controlled cooled at the mill to assure mechanical properties. also, it is more likely found in bar or structural sections rather than tubing.

As you captioned ST52-3 , there is no assurance of any thermal treatment to assure minimum mechanical properties. You really need to go beyond the grade descriptors given, to the underlying DIN or EN specifications to see what the grade expectations / design intent really is...

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03/17/2008 5:01 PM

Hell yeah Milo! Its good to see some spot on international metallurgy.

Its just to bad you are a Bertrand Russell fan, but nobody bats 1000 (just joking).

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03/17/2008 10:58 PM

Thanks for that Ben.

Actually am a Ralph Waldo Emerson Fan as well as Henry David Thoreau. Emerson's essay on compensation is a great of English Language thinking.

Thanks for your feedback!

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