Thanks - the need is to do any piston engine to electric motor - is it true one controler can control more that just one application - Note no engine and no transmiton just an overdrive gear to help AMP usage at speed -- Like the old over drive box small unit electric silionoid to opperate --- tesla in Cal. used 600 laptop batters that is about 6000 cells - 0 to 60 in 4sec and 200 mile range in a Lotis --think this controle is out there he had his custom at Millions - i can handle all other aspects - not an electrical enginer - tool and die and Mec. engineer - weld drill tap all that need help - Like the gas tank area will handle some bat. on top of egine - large car some of the trunk - roof is new screened solar panles - hood and trunk - and pug in also - back up small honda generator - do not think will this only in remote no sun areas -- please respond - Thanks Goerge Dibble
if i give the weight and hp of engine -- like a 400hp engine a 100 hp should be close to what is needed in electric motor - the motor has to reverse to back up - the heater - air conditioning can run on electric window it is all electric run from an alternator we supply same with dc electric -- i hope this helps george
I would suggest you watch the documentary " who killed the electric car", a man on the created the batteries that make it work. General Motors bought his Patent but they do sell the batteries.
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Where [is it possible] to buy all the components needed to convert a V8 (or any engine) to a motor AC or DC - like a kit? [interpreted version / translation: please advise if this is not what you meant]
In no reasonable sense of the term can you "convert a V8 (or any engine) to an AC or DC motor". For some very specific cars, you may be able to buy a kit that will allow you to replace the engine with an electric motor, but there will be MANY other issues to deal with before you have a drivable [but severely compromised] vehicle. It is conceivable that there are circumstances under which it is worthwhile to make such a conversion, but I've never seen them in the real world. Perhaps if you have a free source of power for recharging, can obtain the batteries and power control equipment for next-to-nothing, and will only make short trips on level ground with no need for luggage, or for charging when away from home, your situation will be the exception.
If you are not mechanically adept and experienced, don't have the background knowledge, and lack advisors / helpers with such information, I'd advise against starting such a project.
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thanks for the e-mail - i do not think you are up to date of all the electric transport ideas and the ones that are in use - I like to ask is $4. a gal. is enough or is it $6 or $10. ? we have the sun and panels are silk screened and cheep -- one more of many why do you like pistons pistons are dumb stupid things friction is out of site - jump a piston up and down to get something to turn in a circle a long time ago ok did not now any some know better - i think you are educated - that makes you a little smater but still not knowing whats up - i call that smart but not complete people - i just hate pistons I think it is stupid for us to use pistons - the goverment is controling this and we do not have the free masons to fight them - I could go on for pages i quit for now George Dibble Thanks Ron for giving me this oportunity
This follows the progress of a conversion to electric of a 1987 Mitsubishi Tredia.
The gent who did this admits on the website that he had very little mechanical knowledge before he started, so proving that petrol-to-electric conversions need not be rocket science.
The electric cars in use fall into two main classes, as I see it. The first are called NEV (Neighborhood Electric Vehicles), city cars, urban cars, or similar, and are strictly low speed short trip machines. None is capable of making my daily commute even if charged at both ends of the trip. All are illegal to take onto the highway for a variety of reasons including being too slow for traffic, not meeting crash requirements, etc. Read up on the Zenn (http://www.zenncars.com/), for example.
The others are the Tesla and its competitors, most of which are not actually on the market, or are being marketed, but with delivery at least a year away. (see http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/09/MNGSSKDMBT1.DTL for example) Base price for the Tesla is $89,000, others higher. Some expect to build a lower-cost ($50,000 - $60,000) in a few years. This is more than I've paid for all of the cars I've owned in my life combined (granted, many were VERY cheap seventh hand beaters!). Tesla claims high acceleration, and up to 200 miles total range. What does that work out to on the highway, at realistic speeds, in winter when the batteries must deliver power at 0 degrees F (-18 C), or even worse? Does the energy for the heater / defroster [without it, you cannot see to drive!], head- and taillights [dark when I drive TO work, dark when I drive home], and windshield wipers come from those same batteries? And the sun will NOT charge them up under such conditions: the available energy is insufficient even at 100% efficiency over the footprint of the vehicle during daylight hours. The skinny & hard tires needed for efficiency and carrying the extra weight of batteries aren't suited to snow, in general, either - the EV-1 was only leased in California and similar climates. These factors are all part of "real-world" conditions for much of the country. I have yet to see a single vehicle that is even claimed to be capable of making my daily commute on electric power, not even the multi-million dollar prototypes with regenerative braking and the most expensive batteries. Supercapacitors MIGHT change that, someday.
The fellow in New Zealand who did the Tredia conversion says that he has to pay a tax of about $32 per 1000 km to keep his electric car on the highway; I drive that far EVERY WEEK. He has gone that far, total, since converting. His batteries, alone, cost about $2600, and will need replacement every few years. I don't know what it costs to run the $1300 (!) charger he intends to buy to replace the 13 smaller ones he has now, but the electricity is far from free, and the charger won't last forever, either. It is a great experiment, and sounds like a lot of fun, but totally impractical except in very limited areas. It wouldn't even serve as a decent "grocery-getter" where I live; an $800 or $1200 second-hand car of a size similar to the Tredia would go for years on $5/gallon fuel without costing as much: the electric might NEVER reach break-even under these conditions.
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Since you want to CONVERT a car to electric power try - EVsource.com - for the components. The first thing to do is sell the IC engine for whatever it is worth. After you see what it will cost to get a car that will perhaps get you 25 miles away from home and just barely get you back at 35-40 mph, providing you don't use AC, heat, lights or power steering/brakes, then you may reconsider an electric vehicle, except as a toy to play with.
The problems with EVs are short range, often low speed, long recharge times [if you can find a 220 V outlet], having to return home to recharge in most cases or the addition of very expensive batteries to get more speed and range. A single- passenger vehicle that can go 70 mph for 20 miles can cost about $38,000 [see Meyersmotors.com ]. EVs do cause pollution, but it is at the generating plant in someone else's back yard.
If you do have an EV you will still have the need to drive farther than it will go and without wasting the time needed to recharge. Then you will have to rent a car or own a second car, again increasing expenses. Not exactly convenient either.
However, if you could carry your own generator with you, powered by an engine less polluting and more multi-fuel capable than an IC engine you could use the short range, high speed plug-in EV for about 80% of your driving. The engine would only have to power the generator for the other 20%. This could be scaled to fit whatever size car you want from a Mini-Cooper to a Hummer. {The larger the easier to fit.]
The engine would be much lower in emissions because it would use External Combustion, a forced-draft flame. It could be one of several designs of steam engines turning a generator at its most efficient speed. A Lamont boiler about the size of a hatbox and a slightly smaller engine could run a generator only a bit larger than one used in a car. No transmission needed.
beesidemeusa@yahoo.co.uk - has more there on this concept.
For EV info try ausev.org - in Austin TX
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It may be able to do 0 - 60 in 4 seconds a few times, but have used its entire charge in the first 20 miles; or it may be able to do 200 miles if run at 25 mph, but no article I've seen says it can do both, and this is the normal trade-off for electric vehicles. Even they don't say "and" between the acceleration and range figures. Nor do I think that an $89,000 base price brings it remotely into practicality. I'm pretty certain that I don't even WANT to know what 600 laptop batteries cost - and such a choice of power would knock it out of rational consideration, given that computer hardware becomes obsolete so quickly that a second replacement may not be possible at any price. Their own website, as of today, brags about claiming "no engine" on a customs declaration form ("Wrong question") and then about it having an engine-immobilizer anti-theft system. One or the other folks, you can't have it both ways! They brag about having torque from 0 to 13,000 rpm, but then it comes with a two-speed transmission . . . WHY? And they compare their motor to power curves for a supposed high-performance 4-cylinder engine that doesn't break 125 lb-ft of torque - about what my old dead stock VW 1.8 liter developed on regular unleaded 21 years ago. Not exactly what I'd call a performance engine in today's world! They describe the 4-banger as having little torque at low rpm, but they show it having 60 - 70% of peak at what would be idle speed.
Update myself? Their own CEO's blog says that they STARTED actual production today, March 17th, 2008. Yes, that is truly a milestone! But, how up to date do you want? They've delivered one (count 'em: ONE) production car so far, and they're still waffling on things like final weight. A lot of people are asking questions, but I don't see that first answer on their site . . .
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Well, provisionally sold, anyway: they have taken deposits for over 900, according to http://www.mercurynews.com/drive/ci_8609980. They have delivered NONE, not a single one, to actual customers; the only "production" Tesla in existence is still in the hands of their own chairman, and the first ones off the line that started up yesterday in England are to reach this country in about four weeks, built with temporary gearboxes that are expected to need replacement / retrofitting. But they are pretty clearly the most real of the proposed highway-capable electrics, and past the "vaporware" stage.
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Pon you are on the wrong page - i will help you - tela has sold 1000 units go to www.teslamotors.com and get your self up to date - your thinking is 5 yrs old come on get with it - youare making your self look bad - Goerge
"Pon you are on the wrong page - i will help you - tela has sold 1000 units go to www.teslamotors.com and get your self up to date - your thinking is 5 yrs old come on get with it - youare making your self look bad - Goerge"
Perhaps you should actually read their website, where Monday's press release - yes, two days ago, Monday / St. Patrick's day of THIS WEEK - gave the information that production began on that very day. And it repeated the 900 unit figure, probably the source for the newspaper article of the same date, which I linked to earlier. Use your link, and click on "What's New" or just follow http://www.teslamotors.com/media/press_room.php?id=841 . It is the MOST RECENT press release on their site. I feel no obligation to be more up-to-date than the company itself . . .
Oh - and Goerge [sic], my name is not Pon. Is yours actually spelled Goerge?
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So what, Cal1159909? Check the price of the Tesla, about $100,000 last article I saw. I'm talking in the price range of an ordinary car. You need to do some research. Check Meyersmotors.com too.
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True but he is selling to the deep pockets and sells out in 6months ---by 2011 or 12 he will have enough to build 4 door at a 500 mile rang - at least he is doing something and has the future in his sight - need to talk abut large group building hub motor cars each wheel is motor and China will sell all you want but it takes a big order - they hav e a large veriety of sizes i know they go from 13" and go to 15" -- George
I have an Auto X-Prize 4 passenger car coming off the drawing board now, but it's a car for people in the real world,with a pick-up version that has room for 2 people and can carry 4x8 sheets of plywood, price should be $50k with conventional batteries and motors, range up to 1000 miles. It is a hybrid diesel with; sequential cylinder deactivation, continuously variable transmission, and a waste heat recovery system. The first one will about $150k, but that includes one time expenses for CAD,CFD,and body panel molds. Investors are encouraged to apply, for $200k now a return of 20% of X-prize winnings, should be $ 2 million. As far as the wheel motors go, they have some major problems, operating in a contaminated environment and unsprung weight issues for starters. And why China for a supplier, lets support our friends,not the Red Army if we can help it.
cal1159909 - My idea is to put a motor at each wheel of a plug-in EV that has a range of about 50 miles at 45 mph, but which could go twice as fast for a shorter distance. This would keep the cost of batteries down. Then to allow the car to go up to 300-400 miles without stopping to recharge, it would have a generator on board to keep the batteries charged. To get the cleanest and most efficient engine to run the generator I would use a steam engine, either a Green Steam engine, a Lysholm expander or perhaps even a Tesla Turbine. The steam system would be the condenser type and hermetically sealed to prevent water loss. A Lamont water-tube boiler about the size of a hatbox would supply the steam. Any liquid or gaseous fuel desired and readily available could be used. Thermoelectrics on the used steam and exhaust would generate some electricity directly from waste heat as well, increasing the efficiency. A computer would operate all the functions of the power system and control the speed of each wheel.
About 80% of your driving in this car would be done as an EV, but for the other 20% the steam engine would keep the batteries charged. It is the other 20% that is the drawback to an EV unless you are a fanatic with deep pockets. The use of just a steam engine for power also has drawbacks. Using both as a steam-electric hybrid solves the problems of both without putting the price of the car out of range of the ordinary person.
An EV only moves the pollution to the electric generating plant [50% are coal-fired] so they are not really zero-emissions, the pollution is in someone else's back yard. A steam engine is cleaner than any internal combustion and in this car would only operate about 20% of the time, mostly on long trips. It would look and drive just like a regular IC car and be just as convenient and flexible. You could have AC, electric heat, power steering and brakes and every power accessory you wanted and not have to worry about running out of electric power. It could even serve as an emergency generator during power outages.
The technology is already there, tested and proven. All it needs is to be upgraded with modern materials. A working vehicle could be built well within 2 years and go into production shortly after that. Except for the boiler and steam engine almost all the parts could be bought off-the-shelf. No transmission, differential or CV joints would compensate for the slight extra weight of the steam engine and generator, plus the wheel/motors. And this car is not designed to be sold to the deep pockets. Why should you have to be rich to be "green"?
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