Previous in Forum: I want a machine to strip tablets from the foil   Next in Forum: Senior Maintenance Engineer - Electrical Operations
Close
Close
Close
13 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 3

45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 12:17 PM

Has anyone put 45 amps in a PCB Design, on a printed circuit board? I was thinking of using 4 layers of 4 oz. copper. Do you think that will handle it? Thanks

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: PCB design
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#1

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 1:23 PM

it just seems like a bad idea to me....

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orlando
Posts: 242
Good Answers: 3
#12
In reply to #1

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 2:56 PM

Hi Del,

You say that, cuz you may have not ever had the opportune to do it. It does work if done right = read my thread.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Reno, NV (USA)
Posts: 608
Good Answers: 66
#2

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 2:02 PM

I'm not sure why you would want to, PCB's are for electronics, not power distribution. But hey, lay one down and see what happens. I expect that even if the board survives, how are you going to shield a 45 amp conductor on a PCB?

__________________
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: El Lago, Texas, USA
Posts: 2639
Good Answers: 65
#3

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 2:08 PM

I've done it. No problem. My last power supply board carried 60 amps - and I still have all my fingers. 4 layers of 4 oz is overkill - well, it really depends on your cross section. Google up some specs on power dissipation and temperature rise in PCBs - that's your limiting factor. I think I used something like 3 inch wide traces of 2 oz copper.

The real trick is getting the current on and off the board.

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 3
#4
In reply to #3

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 2:40 PM

We were using a Phoenix 1714968

I just noticed it's max current is 32 amps. Guess I'll need to get with my engineer.

I'll have to see if there is a connector for more amps.

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: El Lago, Texas, USA
Posts: 2639
Good Answers: 65
#5
In reply to #4

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 2:48 PM

Or use multiple connectors. You're not going to want to put 45 amps through a single wire anyway, unless you use something like 10AWG wire - and that's pretty unwieldy.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA, Thulcandra - The Silent Planet (C.S. Lewis)
Posts: 4216
Good Answers: 194
#6

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/19/2008 11:16 PM

Hi meckert,

Just make sure the total cross-sectional area and the length of the copper traces can handle that much current.

Simple.

Mike

__________________
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Columbia City, Indiana, USA
Posts: 836
Good Answers: 96
#7

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 2:41 AM

I can't help with the science, but there are many audio amplifier solutions delivering 10,000 watts into 4 ohm loads ... no kidding ... its real.

On the loudspeaker side, we've tested dual 2-ohm drivers at nearly 10,000 watts in tone-burst conditions for DAYS without failure ... two amplifiers (Crown Macrotech 5002V2 in parallel-mono), about 100 volts into a 2-load = about 50 amps per amplifier.

"Who does that?" you ask. Car aftermarket ... all those kids in the neighborhood you hate ... boom, boom, boom from 3 blocks away ... my fault .

Also, just so you won't think its just the 'kids', there are pro and commercial amplifier solutions that deliver 10k watts in a 1U rack space. I have no idea how they do that, but that's real also.

Sorry I'm not answering your specific question, but, it's being done.

__________________
"Just when I had all the answers, they changed all the questions"
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Budapest, Hungary, HA5YAR
Posts: 617
Good Answers: 14
#8

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 3:35 AM

You can do it either with wide strips of copper or copper "rails" above the PCB (but I think wide strips can be sufficient)

__________________
Aged man is not old man...
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Berlin (Germany)
Posts: 332
Good Answers: 1
#9

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 5:33 AM

When you talk about DC or very slow AC - no problem, it depends just on the width of traces determined by space and by temperature rise of the PCB determined by your ambient temperature conditions.

If you have higher frequencies as you get with fast switching operations it may become problematic as your pulse shapes wil round and you get more and more losses.
Regards Uwe

__________________
The sum of intelligence on earth is a constant. And the population grows and grows and .....
Register to Reply
3
Anonymous Poster
#10

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 6:24 AM

45A on a Power supply PCB is common practice - you will find lots of PCB mounted relays etc rated at 30A+ and the tracks are usually about the same width as a flattened relay pin! Check the power rating of PCB connectors to get some idea of the sizes used.

I manufacture a solid state relay which switches 230V 80A loads on a circuit measuring 28 x 36mm. The wire bonds onto the thyristors are 380um Al which are rated at 15A each. If you use a good thickness of copper on the circuit board and keep lengths to a minimum you should be ok.

Try putting smaller currents down a sample of the track and use an IR thermometer to check any heating effects while increasing the current. You should then be able to work out - in the real world - thickness and width of track to do the job safely. The IR thermometer is also a useful tool to search for local hot spots at connections, etc. Mounting the PCB vertically with good air flow should be considered also.

Don't forget that conformal coating/varnish will contain heat on the track so you will have to take that into account.

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Power-User

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orlando
Posts: 242
Good Answers: 3
#11

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 2:53 PM

I concur with several others: And where 35A+ 220VAC 50/60Hz was the application and a power distribution PCB. Because of constraints, to include safety, only one plating run on the bottom side was done using 3-oz copper and a maximum width for each paying attention to spacing. In later revision, I placed a solder mask on each of these plating runs as to add the additional solder. It works well and should work just fine at 45 amps. I used Phoenix Contact wire-to-pcb connectors and P&B 30A pcb relays. The only issues were if the #10AWG wires were not properly tightened and the PCB (and connector) would be damaged. That's an assembly issue in itself. All of this was applied over a mfr'ing arena for some 10 years. It should work for you.

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 3
#13

Re: 45 amps on a circuit board?

03/20/2008 3:23 PM

Thanks for all the great responses everyone!

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 13 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); bhankiii (2); Bill ML (2); CSM Engineer (1); DCaD (1); meckert (2); Mikerho (1); Qqberci (1); user-deleted-1105 (1); uweka (1)

Previous in Forum: I want a machine to strip tablets from the foil   Next in Forum: Senior Maintenance Engineer - Electrical Operations

Advertisement