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Design Calculations for High Pressure Vessel - Above 1000PSI

03/27/2008 12:05 PM

Does any one have or has performed calculations on equipment (reactors) above 1000 psi. I am looking for the formula or path to generate a formuls to complete the calculations to complete such a vessel or reactor.

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Re: Design Calculations for High Pressure Vessel - Above 1000PSI

03/28/2008 12:04 AM

1000 PSI is not a great pressure. But still any thing beyond 7 PSI comes under European "Pressure Equipment Directive" if you are in Europe. Even if you are out of Europe, its is high risk equipment and you need to deign it properly.

Refer EN 13445, which gives detailed design procedures for such vessel, with various end closures, nozzles etc. (It is big book)

Or you may refer ASME codes for pressure vessel design

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Re: Design Calculations for High Pressure Vessel - Above 1000PSI

03/28/2008 8:59 AM

Dear cadtrans

The following equations with its related terms are derived from ASME BPVC, Section VIII, Div. 1, which you can proceed the required design:

♦ UG-27 Thickness of Shells Under Internal Pressure (In terms of inside diameter)

where, t = Min. required thickness of shell (in.)

R = Inside radius of shell (in.)

P = Internal design pressure, or max. allowable working pressure (taking into consideration the static head of fluid) (psi)

S = Max. allowable stress of shell material (psi)

E = Min. joint efficiency, percent

UG-27(c) Cylindrical Shells :

UG-27(C)(1) Circumferential (hoop) Stress (Longitudinal Joints) t < 0.5 R or P < 0.385 SE : t = PR/(SE-0.6P)

UG-27(C)(2) Longitudinal Stress (Circumferential Joints) t < 0.5 R or P < 1.25 SE : t = PR/(2SE+0.4P)

UG-27(d) Spherical Shells : t < 0.356 R or P < 0.665 SE : t = PR/(2SE-0.2P)

UG-32 Formed Heads, and Sections, Pressure on Concave Side

where, t = Min. required thickness of head (in.)

D = Inside dia. of head skirt (in.)

P = Internal design pressure, or max. allowable working pressure (taking into consideration the static head of fluid) (psi)

S = Max. allowable stress of shell material ((psi)

L = Inside spherical or crown radius = K1 D (in.) [APP. 1-4(b)]

K1= Spherical radius factor, [see Table UG-37]

UG-32(d) Ellipsoidal Heads :

where, K = Factor depends on ratio of major to minor axis D/2h= 1/6 [2 + (D/2h)2] …. [see Table 1-4.1] & [APP. 1-4(c)] : t = PDK/(2SE-0.2P)

UG-32(e) Torispherical Heads : [For knuckle radius 6% L and L = OD of skirt]

Torispherical heads made of materials having a specified min. tensile strength > 80 000 psi, shall be designed using S = 20 000 psi at room temp. and reduced in proportion to the reduction in max. allowable stress values at temp. for the material. [see UG-23)]: t = 0.885PL/(SE-0.1P)

UG-32(f) Hemispherical Heads : t < 0.356 L or P < 0.665 SE : t = PR/(2SE-0.2P)

UG-32(g) Conical Heads and Sections : where a = 0.5 induced angle of cone at centerline of the head, and a < 30 deg : t = PD/2 cos a (SE-0.6P) ..... (4)

UG-32(h) Toriconical Heads and Sections :

● The required thickness of the conical portion (knuckle radius > 6% OD of head skirt & > 3 knuckle thk.) shall be determined by Formula (4) of UG-32 (g) above, using Di in place of D : t = PDi/2 cos a (SE-0.6P)

● The required thickness of the knuckle shall be determined by Formula (3) of Appendix 1-4(d), in which,

L = Di /(2 cos a) (in.)

Lo = Outside spherical or crown radius (in.)

Di = ID of conical portion = D -2 r (1- cos a) (in.)

r = Inside knuckle radius (in.)

M = 1/4 [ 3 +ÖL/r ] …….. [Table 1-4.2]

t = PLM/(2SE-0.2P) and t = PLoM/[2SE+P(M-0.2)] .... [App. 1-4(d)]

APPENDIX-1 Supplementary Design Formulas

1.1 Thickness of Cylindrical and Spherical Shells under Internal pressure, in terms of outside diameter.

where, t = Min. required thickness of shell (in.)

D = ID of head skirt, or inside length of the major axis of ellipsoidal head, or ID of cone head (in.)

Do = OD of head skirt or outside length of the major axis of ellipsoidal head, or OD of a cone (in.)

Ro = Do / 2 (in.)

P = Internal design pressure, or max. allowable working pressure (taking into consideration the static head of fluid) (psi)

S = Max. allowable stress of shell material (psi)

(1) For Cylindrical Shells : t = PRo/(SE+0.4P)

(2) For Spherical Shells : t = PRo/(2SE+0.8P)

1.4 Formulas for the Design of Formed Heads under Internal Pressure, in terms of outside diameter.

1.4(c) Ellipsoidal Heads*:

Where, K = 1/6[2+(D/2h)2] and h = 0.5 minor axis of ellipsoidal head (in.):

t = PDK/(2SE-0.2P) .... (1) and t = PDoK/[2SE+2P(K-0.1)] ..... (2)

* Ellipsoidal heads designed under K > 1.0 and all torispherical heads made of materials having a specified min. tensile strength > 80 000 psi shall be designed using a value of S = 20 000 psi at room temp. and reduced in proportion to the reduction in max. allowable stress values at temp. for the material as shown in the appropriate table (see UG-23).

1.4(d) Torispherical Heads :

where, Lo = Outside spherical or crown radius (in.),

M = 1/4 [ 3 +√L/r ] [Table 1-4.2] and L/r = Ratio of inside crown radius to the inside knuckle radius, in.: t = PLM/(2SE-0.2P) ... (3) and t = PLoM/[(2SE+P(M- 0.2)] .... (4)

(f) Conical Heads : t = PD/[2 cos a (SE-0.6P)] ... (5) and t = PDo/[2 cos a (SE+0.4P)] ... (6)

APPENDIX-1 Supplementary Design Formulas

1.2 Thick Cylindrical Shells under Internal Pressure, in terms of inside and outside diameters.

where, t = Min. required thickness of shell, in.

R = Inside radius of shell course under consideration, in.

Ro = Outside radius of shell course under consideration, in.

P = Internal design pressure, or max. allowable working pressure (taking into consideration the static head of fluid), psi

S = Max. allowable stress of shell material, psi

(a)(1) Circumferential Stress (longitudinal joints) : t > 0.5 R or P > 0.385 SE : t = R (Z1/2 – 1) = Ro (Z1/2 – 1)/ Z1/2, where, Z = (SE+P)/(SE-P)

(a)(2) longitudinal Stress (circumferential joints) : t > 0.5 R or P > 1.25 SE : t = R (Z1/2 – 1) = Ro (Z1/2 – 1)/ Z1/2, where, Z = (P/SE)+1

1.3 Thick Spherical Shells under Internal Pressure, in terms of inside and outside diameters.

For wholly spherical vessel and hemispherical head : t > 0.356 R or P >0.665 SE : t = R (Y1/3 – 1) = Ro (Y1/3 – 1)/ Y1/3, where, Y = 2(SE+P)/(2SE–P)

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Re: Design Calculations for High Pressure Vessel - Above 1000PSI

11/18/2008 12:17 AM

what is the reference of the calculation?

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11/18/2008 12:55 AM

The reference of the calculations -as I said before- is ASME BPVC, Section VIII, Div. 1.

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02/28/2009 12:49 AM

Cound u pls tell me how to derive these equations wiith fundamentals? I really need to learn that.pls

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02/28/2009 2:22 AM

How to derive the equation of calculating of Pipe/vessel Wall Thickness?

Strength Theory:The strength theory used in design codes, ASME/ANSI, for internal pressure and other tensile loadings is the maximum stress theory. This theory considers the stress in each direction independently from other directions. This is easier than using other, more complex theories, and it is acceptable with the associated factors of safety which are used to set allowable stresses.

1. Circumferential or hoop pressure stress in pipe

In order to maintain static equilibrium forces in the hoop direction, the internal pressure force exerted against the inside wall must be resisted by the strength of the metal in the wall thickness for a seamless pipe segment and by the longitudinal weld joint in a welded pipes.

Development of the hoop stress formulas, assuming a thin wall pipe, for each length of pipe or longitudinal weld (assume L in.); The internal pressure exerts a force = (P) (D) (L in.)

And the wall exerts a resisting force at the two cross sections = 2 (t) (L in.) (S)

When this two forces are equated, P D L = 2 t L S

And solved for P = 2 t S / D

or t = P D / 2S (thin wall or membrane formula)

If a butt weld joint efficiency, quality factor, or ligament efficiency is included to modify the allowable stress, the formula becomes

t = P D / 2 SE or t = P R / SE …………………… (1) where E = lowest efficiency or joint factor.

[You can make a comparison between this formula and formula of ASME UG-27 (c)(1): t = PR/(SE-0.6P)]

These thin- wall (membrane) formulas are limited to a thickness not to exceed one-half of the inside radius and to a pressure not to exceed 0.385 SE. When either limit is exceeded, the thick wall or Lame' equation shall be used.

2. Longitudinal or axial Pressure Stress in Pipe

The stress formulas for the longitudinal or axial direction are developed in the same way as the hoop formulas. In order to maintain equilibrium in the axial direction, the internal force exerted against the pipe end closure must be resisted by the strength of the metal in the cross sectional wall of the pipe for seamless pipe segment and by the circumferential weld joints in a welded pipes.

The pressure force = (3.14 /4) D2 P

While, the resisting force = (3.14) D t S

When the two forces are equated, (3.14 /4) D2 P = (3.14 ) D t S

And solved for P = 4 t S / D

And solved for t = P D / 4 S (thin wall or membrane formula)

If a joint efficiency E is included for the circumferential weld to modify the allowable stress, the formula becomes

t = P D / 4 SE or t = P R / 2 SE ................. (2)

[You can make a comparison between this formula and formula of ASME UG-27 (c)(2): t = PR/(2SE+0.4P) ]

These thin wall (membrane) formulas are limited to thickness not to exceed one-half of the inside radius and to a pressure not to exceed 1.25 SE. When these limits are exceeded, the formulas for thick-wall or Lame' equations shall be used.

From equations (1) and (2), we have to use the worst case (hoop stress), where the thickness must be calculated as derived from equation (1):

t = P D / 2 SE …………………… (1)

And this equation is the unique source of all imperical formulas used in design of elements subjected to hoop stress which used in all codes and standards. Equation (2) is used in calculatin of wall thickness in spherical segments where not subjected to hoop stress.

These thin wall (membrane) formulas are limited to thickness not to exceed one-half of the inside radius and to a pressure not to exceed 1.25 SE. When these limits are exceeded, the formulas for thick-wall or Lame' equations shall be used.

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03/17/2010 4:54 PM

as you get this in the section ug-27 (1)

(1) Circumferential Stress (Longitudinal Joints).

When the thickness does not exceed one-half of the inside

radius, or P does not exceed 0.385SE, the following formulas

shall apply:0.385SE que significa? CUAL ES EL SIGNIFICADO

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07/29/2010 4:32 AM

hello, As you have stated above as: UG-32(e) Torispherical Heads : [For knuckle radius 6% L and L = OD of skirt] Is OD of head skirt same as outside diameter of Torispherical head??? Thanks.

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07/29/2010 8:42 AM

Is OD of head skirt same as outside diameter of Torispherical head???

Ofcourse, the both diameters are the same when we speaking about the same head with a straigh head skirt. Please note the principal dimensions of Fig. 1-4 of ASME VIII, Div. 1.

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02/10/2011 11:27 PM

Dear Abdel,

Would you mind please to tellme where exactly is Fig 1-4 in ASME VIII, Div. 1., I cannot find it.

Thanks and regards

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02/10/2011 11:30 PM

Oh, I've just find it... :)

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Re: Design Calculations for High Pressure Vessel - Above 1000PSI

07/05/2023 7:14 AM

Why design a process that needs that sort of pressure? Can the job be done in other ways?

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