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Global Warming and the Earth's Crust

06/19/2006 12:40 PM

I have long disagreed with the finding for global warming. I have seen many scientists out to make a name for themselves or to gain funding from the goverments of the world. I see them as hyp-researchers and not scientists. Given to proven facts, I feel very safe in saying they are wrong. I have maintained that the earth's crust is thinning and heating the earth from the inside out. With the ever growing volcanic eruptions, earth quakes and geo activity it is safe to say something big is happening behond global warming caused by emissions. The eco system can and does take care of green house gases but that does not mean we should be careless about our air quality. The earth is a big oven and my thoughts are that the oven is beginning to collapse from the inside. As material falls in, it is heated and expands. This expansion causes volcanic activity and tectonic plates to move more often. (earthquakes) As the crust thins, hot spots become more numbered. (Oceans warm) A thinning crust means a rise in ground temps and ground water. A single volcanic eruption will place more ash and sulfer into the atmosphere the man has been able to place into it ever. Those gases will reflect sun light. The magnetophere is effected by each eruption yet is still able to block radiation from the sun.
Recently I read and article by Gary Novak, Biologist, on the Science Criticism web page who seems to support my personal theroy about global warming. Gary Novak points out global warming do to oceans warming, caused by hot spots do to earths thinning crust. The USGS provides the biggest part of my theory. While the USGS does not trump global warming, their information on geo activity an emissions does.
Great Minds of CR4, what are your thoughts?

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#1

Why don't you provide some links

06/19/2006 1:01 PM

You could start by providing a link for this "fact":

You wrote: "A single volcanic eruption will place more ash and sulfer into the atmosphere the man has been able to place into it ever."

Any link that supports the "fact" you present above will be fine.

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Re:Why don't you provide some links

06/19/2006 1:16 PM

Here's some examples of what I mean:

"Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons/year, whereas other sources contribute about 10 billion tons/year." Link

"Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes"Link

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Gloal Warming...

06/20/2006 5:41 AM

"With the ever growing volcanic eruptions, earth quakes and geo activity........."
On what pray tell do you base this? Any geologist will tell you that over geological time spans activity has decreased.
"The eco system can and does take care of green house gases ..."
Then how do you explain the well documented and indisputable rise in CO2 levels over the previous decades????
(Ice core data agrees and extends to centuries.)
"The earth is a big oven and my thoughts are that the oven is beginning to collapse from the inside. As material falls in, it is heated and expands."
This is your silliest statement of all. Whence, pray tell, cometh the energy for all this supposed heating?
(Hint - out of your imagination, for there is no other source. By its very nature, the radioactive heating that warms the core must decrease over time.)

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#4

Global warming

06/20/2006 10:53 AM

It is very disturbing to hear you characterize actual scientists as funding hounds looking for their next government pellet. These folks are made up of mostly dedicated researchers who love to tear each other apart for sake of publications. When they begin to sense a convergence of data and analysis, you had better listen to it closely. Spouting off with half baked ideas that are scientifically unsupportable (to be kind) and talk down about actual scientific progress is just plain childish. Get with the program and actually study the current work before making disparaging comments about an entire global scientific community.

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Re:Global warming

06/20/2006 12:36 PM

I would suggest you look up www.co2science.com. There you will find plenty of data from many diverse scources that do NOT agree with the global warming premise. You will also notice that co2 has many positive effects, and in fact the co2 levels can tripple and not have any negative effects. The optimum is around 1200 ppm, which is around 3 times our current 360 ppm levels. All the known "fossil" reserves could be burnt and we would not have enough co2 to feed the planet. Your attitude is arrogant and "childish" at best. "Get with the program" (read agenda) which you don't even understand (read taxes for the UN). You made "disparaging" comments, yet you became "offended" when someone offered alternative ideas about the facts. Clearly, you and the Al Gore clones are about as closed minded as it gets. Everytime someone wants to use the force of government to change behavior, you know they are out to lunch. Look up the meaning of freedom and agency. Your "community" does not trump my right to add as much co2 as I want. The more co2 the better. That said, I have technology that can cut your presious co2 levels in 1/2 to 1/10 within 10 years (Al Gore's time line). Interested? It is a 1000 billion dollar concept. Serious. Find all the enviro global(ists) warmies, and get them together and we will build it. I called my local chapter of the Sierra club and offered EVERYTHING they claim they wanted with the environment, and they were not interested. Why? I offered to back it up with $1,000,000 in cash. It will get over 100-200 mpg and even over 1000 mpg linked to your house. What the Sierra Club wants is power to force people to their opinion, not a clean environment. Germany tried that in the 40's and failed, and so with the current crop of dictators peddling "global warming." If you are not interested (you have knowledge that there is the solution to your problem), please stop the entitlement complaining and get off you behind and design the solution yourself. I have spent 8 years doing just that. What about you? Government is NOT the solution, never has been, and never will be. The bottom line is that their is no global warming crisis or energy crisis, just a crisis of leadership and judgement. You can reach me at seaplaneguy@msn.com

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Re:Global warming

06/21/2006 4:27 PM

Well stated!!! ... Without global crises, global government is not needed. Plainly put, create enough global crises and the need for global government appears. ...With regard to global warming theory, it starts with false assumptions: it assumes constant Sun output and temperatures vary on Earth, yet the correct assumption is that Sun output varies (especially with Sun spot activity), and this will vary the temperature cycle on Earth. It is predictable and consistantly sinusoidal. It has a 60 year cycle; 30 years of which are on the cooling side (downward movement of sinusoid) and 30 years on the warming side (upward movement of sinusoid). Research it.

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