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Torque Valve for Plastic Spacer into Metal

04/14/2008 1:03 PM

Hi,

We are using Bossard stand off M4x40 mm length (PART NO- BN 7372, Material polyamide 6.6) in our Electronic chassis assembly to fix our parts. This stand off is going to fit into the M4x10 PEM Flush head self clinching stud (PEM PART NO FHS-M4-10 stainless steel). I assigned 7 lbs-in Torque value to fix the plastic stand off in to the metal PEM.

Already we checked lot of Bossard standoff at 10 lbs-in and nothing got failed. For safer side we have chosen 7 lbs-in for production assembly. Now our assembly Engineer says that standoff not able to withstand 7 lbs-in torque and it got failed at 3 lbs-in. So he wanted us to reduce the torque spec for the Bossard standoff. But I didn't agree to reduce the torque value because to meet the vibration started we have to use this value and already I tested more than 200 standoff in our lab at 10lbs-in and nothing got failed. I need you answer for the below questions?

1. The torque value whatever we specified for assembly of Bossard plastic standoff to metal insert, 7 lbs-in is it right value?

2. What is the Max and Min torque vale Bossard recommend to fix this plastic standoff in to the metal insert?

I have a concern about whether my assembly engineer using Brossard part or Not.

Please let me know your suggestion for this.

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Re: Torque Valve for Plastic Spacer into Metal

04/15/2008 5:55 AM

I made some computations to estimate the possible limit torques using values from different sources since I do not know the mechanical properties of the PA 6.6 used by Bossard. I came to the result that under circumstances the limit torque can be as low as 4.5 lb.in. The limit torque is the value which shears the standoff threads.

This value depends on:

- real full thread contact length between stud thread and standoff thread. chamfers on both parts have to be considered.

- tool used for the tightening, if the tool is too fast an over tightening can occur ie the actual torque can be higher than expected. If the tool has as limiter a sliding clutch it will better react than a cut-off tool.

- if the friction coefficient during your tests and the one to be found in production differ (if in production friction is lower) the pre-load for same torque will increase and bring the assembly nearer to its limit.

- tolerances for the stud OD could be too big which reduces the nut (stand off ) portent capacity.

So that is seams that you should compare :

- tightening method and tools used for

- assembly tolerances to check true contact length

- assembly conditions for test and production.

It is most probable that you are both right only the conditions differ.

If you can get more input concerning geometry and mechanical data for the PA6.6 I can verify where is the torque limit.

Hope it will help

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