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Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/19/2008 10:20 PM

Hi everyone

I am designing LV power distribution for an industrial application. 10kA max. short circuit current.

I do not know what existing loads are, however I have existing fuse ratings protecting main DB submains (basic arrangement is main switch/cb feeding 2-off DB submains). Existing arrangement is 200A fuse to each DB.

I need to design to replace 200A fuse with MCCB. However, I need to ensure discrimination between the two DB MCCBs and the main switch such that the two MCCBs available (for my chosen manufacturer) are 160A and 250A only.

The tripping curves for the 160A show that at 200A the breaker will take a minimum of 5 mins to trip.

What about the fuse? If I can argue that the fuse would likely trip before 200A (based on real data) I can justify the replacement of the 200A fuse with the 160A MCCB.

Does anyone have any thoughts on my method?

Can anyone direct me to some fuse tripping curves, I cannot find any!

Thanks everyone

MB

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Re: Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/20/2008 12:02 AM

I have determined that the existing fuse will only blow slightly above the rated current.
I therefore have to assume the submain load is 200A and this precludes my use of the 160A MCCB.

The next available MCCB is 250A which requires a 630A MCCB upstream to ensure discrimination/selectivity.

However, the supply TF is rated at 270 Ampere only.

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Re: Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/21/2008 8:13 AM

In stead of an MCCB with a thermal-magnetic mechanism, try one with an hydraulic-magnetic action. They can have overcurrent protection very close to the actual overload setting (105% typical). We (in South Africa) also have curve 2 & curve 3 actions for our normal MCBs, whereby the one reacts faster than the other one (250% for 1 sec vs 400% vs 1 sec), typically to allow for motor starting.

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Re: Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/21/2008 7:10 AM

Better to replace incomer fuse with 400A MCCB. Fuse will act fast on short circuit. Hence at S.C. condition incomer fuse will not grade with 250A MCCB

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Re: Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/21/2008 8:24 AM

To get the grading I need, I will have to replace the existing 300A fuses with a 630A set 300 MCCB with electronic trip unit.

I can then grade with 2-off 250A thermal-magnetic MCCBs protecting my 2-off submains.

Obviously this particular arrangement is specific to my chosen manufacturer...

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Re: Replacing fuse with CB - equivalent ratings

04/23/2008 2:57 PM

As per IEC standrd MCCB should not trip at 5% overload and at 130% load it should trip after one 1 hr. Normally at 200% overload mccb will trip between 24s to 240s. better to consult mccb manufacturer time vs over load current curve.

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