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Lowering a load via a Chain Block

04/21/2008 10:09 AM

Can anyone provide some information on safe chain block usage.

Can a load be positioned so that the chain block used to lower the load is not lowering in the vertical plane. For example a 500kg spool being lowered into position where the anchor point is not located vertically above the final position. The spool needs to be pulled horizontally and the load lowered via the chain block(2 tonne).

Is there an acceptable angle of safe use for the chain block?

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Re: Lowering a load via a Chain Block

04/21/2008 10:36 AM

Personal opinion is that we all have pushed to position a load hanging from a chain hoist. Personal safety says to me not to do so if i have to stress to get the load in to position. If when stressing to position the load if the hoist or load would come free you would be going with it.

If in the positioning the load that a individual has to put a lot of physical stress on it I recommend that the hoist be hung from jib boom.

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04/21/2008 11:29 AM

Yes they can be lowered on an angle. You require is a second chain hoist mounted on the opposite side of the destination.

Lift on the second hoist while lowering on the first hoist, and the load will move toward the second hoist which will gradually take the load.

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04/21/2008 1:29 PM

If you are close to the load limits on the chain blocks, make up a couple of force diagrams and calculate the initial, any critical intermediate, and final loads on the multiple chain angles that result. This way, you can determine whether at any point you might have an overload condition.

Most of the time that I have witnessed multiple hoists to "swing" a load into a position outside of vertical, the hoists had excess capacity and this was not a concern. But if your close to the limit, it does not hurt to confirm an adequate margin of safety.

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Re: Lowering a load via a Chain Block

04/21/2008 8:40 PM

Thanks to all who answered! I value your comments and help!

This question came out of an incident in a 3rd World Country where I am working. A 2 tonne chain block failed when 3 workers were lowering a 485kg spool piece into position in a Furnace roof.

One worker sustained 3 broken toes when the spool flange landed on his foot just above the steel cap of his boot.

We found that the spool had been manourved more than 30 metres using hook to hook transfer of a suspended load (485kg) using multiple chain blocks (2 at a time) using different lifting lugs in the furnace roof.

The Chain block failed because the equipment was missing the chain guide rollers and had not been inspected before use, nor inspected before being issued from the tool store.

We have just implemented a quarterly inspection and tagging program and have destroyed 200+ lifting gear because of substandard condition...this one was not inspected before the shutdown.

Sorry for the long explanation...hope you find it interesting!

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04/22/2008 1:19 AM

Interesting yes...

Include some training of proper rigging techniques for workers in the new safety program.

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04/22/2008 9:39 AM

Quarterly inspections should be a mandatory minimum. We also do daily visual inspections prior to use. I'd also recommend (for English readers, don't know if translations are available, but you can find out) the "Rigging Handbook", 3rd Ed. by Jerry Klinke, complete illustrated field reference. It's available from ACRA Enterprises, Inc. - www.acratech.com - 800.992.0689 and is ISBN 978-1-8-8872402-8. Hope this helps.

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04/22/2008 8:35 PM

Thanks EnviroMan for you excellent help,

We are requiring quarterly checks and tagging and pre-start inspections as standard. However a challenge to make it happen in the field during a shut.

I am producing a lifting operation guideline to help provide what should be checked etc so the reference "Rigging Handbook" with illustrations sounds excellent.

I will source it. Translation is not a problem.

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04/23/2008 8:28 AM

Glad you think it is useful. The field guide is an industry standard - we use it here extensively. One aid to meeting the safety challenge is to instill the idea that someone - wife, mother, sister, daughter, even a faithful dog, is expecting each worker to come home every night, and in the correct number of pieces - a minimum and maximum of ONE! So which part of your body do you actually want to lose...?

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Re: Lowering a load via a Chain Block

04/22/2008 9:26 AM

This is a ratio chart for lifting equipment to calculate load angles:

Angles in
Degree

Factor

90

1.000

85

0.996

80

0.985

75

0.966

70

0.940

65

0.906

60

0.866

55

0.819

50

0.766

45

0.707

40

0.643

35

0.574

30

0.500

60 degree lift: (2 tonne) x (0.866) = 1732 kg reduced lifting capacity.

Simply stated, the greater the angle of the lift, the greater the reduction in hoist capacity.

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04/22/2008 10:53 AM

I have done this literally thousands of times in the past when rigging piping into position. Many times the load needs to be drifted over by rigging an additional come-a-long to pull the load over one way or the other. Sometimes we might have to pull the load over and transfer it to another hoist to get up under and obstacle. For the most part chain falls or hoists should be used for the more vertical loads and lever type come-a-long hoists can be used for either. One should not try any complicated maneuvering heavy loads with out allot of planning, experience and common since though, IT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS. Years ago we were working a stair platform into place under an offshore oil rig by pulling the load off vertical from the crane line in order to get it into place. A co-worker was going to transfer the load to a chain fall when we got it into to position. The guy was standing on the platform working a lever type hoist and got it in a bind and pulled apart the sling we had rigged the load with. Well the worker the platform and everything suddenly fell 70 feet into the ocean and they found him 3 days later floating in the gulf of Mexico. The problem was that he had welded pad eyes to the platform and had grounded through and damaged the steel sling he was using to rig with. Be sure to check the hoist, hook and rigging before you use it and never weld on the load so as to make the ground through the load chain or other steel rigging cables and such.

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04/25/2008 1:12 PM

sounds dangerous for so many reasons.if you need to follow this procedure frequently i recommend you stop using chain block or crane altogether.it should'nt be very difficult to design an arm that could take the load along a fixed path say angular or curved or even curved along a decreasing radius with a retraction mechanism.if you want to keep it really cheap you could use the same chain-pulley block as power supply and use the arm only as a guide so the load moves along a fixed/safe path.i dont know if im being very clear so ill try to get some drawings for you.

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