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Electric Car Idea

05/05/2008 7:45 AM

I have been toying with the idea of converting the high tension voltage coming of the HT coil going to the spark plugs during idle/low loads to Direct current (high amperage low voltage). This is to electolyze the water to generate hydrogen and oxygen. the hydrogen will be piped suitably to the cylinders to supplement combusiton. Oxygen can be mixed with air for inside pasenger ventilation

This is concept. Initial estimates indicate as workable provided an IC/chip of a miniature circuit with very low impedence can do the job of converting HV spikes to low voltage/ high amp DC current.

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05/05/2008 7:49 AM

Why not take the low voltage, high current voltage direct from the battery?

"Oxygen can be mixed with air for inside pasenger[sic] ventilation..."

I hope none smokes in your car. Remember Apollo 1?

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05/05/2008 9:47 AM

You seem to have the right background to help me with my invention. I am planning on putting generators on the rear wheels of my Yugo. This way I can generate power as I go down the road and never stop for gas. I could market this as a 900 MPG car and get rich. Since I never studied law (the law of conservation of energy), I am convinced this would work.

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05/05/2008 10:15 AM

Well, ignorance of the law won't help. When you break a law of physics, unlike civil or criminal law, there is no adjudication phase to the process. Instead, you straight to the penalty phase.

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05/05/2008 10:59 PM

I would guess if you analyzed the current average mpg of all the Yugo's ever produced it would exceed 900 mpg since the vast majority of them haven't run in years !!!

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05/05/2008 11:05 PM

For your idea to work, you need to install a retro-encabulator coupled to your generators first. You then need to encircle your rear wheels with electromagnets that don't use electricity to generate their magnetic fields. Once you've calibrated the modulation of the wavelength and frequency of the magnetic impulses properly, you'll generate so much power when you drive that you'll be able to light up every streetlight within a 1,000 meter radius without even having to connect a cable to your car.

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05/06/2008 10:19 AM

All good ideas, but he should also a VIC generator, which rectifies alternating current to produce waved or waveless DC. This can be used to generate Brown's gas containing HHO. This is awesome. I not only use this to completely power my car (which went from 112 HP to well over 1100 HP!), but I have so much extra energy at the end of the week, I must drain it off. I use the extra energy to power my house, as well as the school where I conduct my "Faraday Was Wrong 101" and "Laws of Conservation Were Meant to be Broken 102" courses.

Excess HHO is also used to smelt steel for my anti-gravity devices. Because HHO implodes when ignited, I am able to use the principles of harmonics to melt steel at room temperature, and remove CO2 from the air. Of course, my house does not require much power, as I have replaced all the motors here with magnet motors, which are also over-unity. I use this extra energy to power my Tesla coil, which transmits free energy to my neighbors.

People in black helicopters are constantly trying to get me. They have beat up my clone, stolen my 200 mpg carburetor and put fluoride truth serum in my water, so be careful!

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05/07/2008 4:27 AM

"People in black helicopters are constantly trying to get me. They have beat up my clone, stolen my 200 mpg carburetor and put fluoride truth serum in my water, so be careful!"

You too, huh? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. They tried doing exactly the same thing to me too. BIG mistake. Let's just say that nobody, but nobody, ever tries to mess with a Sith Lord and gets to live to talk about it. Ever.

By the way, where do you buy your aluminum foil hat from, or do you make it yourself? Also, do you only use an aluminum foil hat, or do you use aluminum foil jackets, pants and shoes as well?

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05/07/2008 10:41 AM

Aluminum is made by ALCOA, which stands for Aluminum Company of America. The government controls production, and manipulates the atomic structure of aluminum foil to allow their brain wave transmissions. So aluminum foil is useless.

I use mu metal, and a helmet is sufficient. I make my own, and the H2 by electrolysis is very useful in the annealing process.

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05/07/2008 11:48 PM

Brilliant idea. We should all do our part to defy "Big Brother" and his endless evil conspiracies.

It's times like these that I'm glad I'm permanently sealed inside a suit of black armor. At other times, well, let's just say that answering the call of nature is a real bitch.

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05/05/2008 11:44 PM

My guess? All these flippant answers = Don't waste your time. You will not get more energy out than you put in.

Keep trying, someday, someone will get a better answer than what we have, but do study up on the law of conservation of mass and energy.....

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05/06/2008 1:50 AM

"All these flippant answers = Don't waste your time. You will not get more energy out than you put in."

Why, what was your first clue? Great guess, by the way. Give that man a beer......

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05/06/2008 7:37 AM

Folks:

Please note that I am not trying to generate more energy than I put in. This contrivance will come into function only during Idle/low load (low operating efficiency).

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05/06/2008 9:31 AM

HV coil only generates sparks at the precise moment when it is required. No wasted energy. Some energy is collected by the HV coil before each spark as to allow that spark to take place. Sparks power requirement remains the same at idle or low power as the sparks is generally "facing" the same pressure level in the combustion chamber for any RPM (for an engine that is in good condition). Other than conservation of energy, it would be wise to google on the basic working of an engine ignition system.

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05/06/2008 12:19 PM

you can get over 1000mpg by using an extremely small engine and super aerodynamic vehicle...(google 'supermilage') Coming anywhere close to this efficiency isn't going to happen with a car conversion.

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05/06/2008 9:13 PM

Vik, Please note that these people are not trying to generate better ideas. They are contriving to make you function only at idle. (low operating efficiency).

Keep on keeping on. Check out the poster whose Handle is Toomuchfun.

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05/07/2008 11:12 PM

Yeah!

And while you are at it check out my posts about Toomuchthefool before you do something that will get you in serious trouble.

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05/07/2008 11:53 PM

Toomuchfun is trying too hard to live up to his name. He's having way too much fun posting ludicrous comments to realize that engineering is serious business that can get a lot of people killed if not carried out properly. I like your nickname for him: it describes him perfectly.

Another guy to watch for is Buzneg. He too seems to promote this sort of nonsense.

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05/08/2008 12:11 AM

"Engineering is serious business." Really, so I guess that my Degree in In-organic Chemistry really means something then.

Guys get off your high horse before you fall and break something. Geez!!

Some of the most full of themselves people I have ever heard!! At least he is trying to do something with the gas prices the way they are. What are you doing? Sitting on your rumps, shooting down everyone else!

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05/08/2008 1:08 AM

"Some of the most full of themselves people I have ever heard!! At least he is trying to do something with the gas prices the way they are. What are you doing? Sitting on your rumps, shooting down everyone else!"

For your information, I have done work into the use of algae to purify wastewater, then recovered for fuel. I have also done work into CH4 production from organic wastes. I have also designed wind turbines, solid waste digesters/CH4 reactors for use and a combine latrine/wastwater treatment system for use in impoverished Third World countries. What I won't waste my time on is electrolysis to generate H2 gas from water for fuel, because it waste more energy than can be recovered, and especially not when it involves the use of sodium electrodes. If you think that's a brilliant idea, go ahead and do it. Better yet, use potassium. Then find out for yourself, the hard way, why I said engineering is serious business.

Check out my post #17. I am actually helping Vik, the original poster, understand why this is a bad idea. Of course I won't take Toomuchfun's comments seriously. Why should I, when he doesn't understand that if you can generate enough power, from solar or any other source, to break water down in sufficient quantities to form H2 and O2, you'll have enough power to charge an electric car? And what have YOU done, besides being his lobbyist and spokesman? What contribution have you made, here or anywhere else?

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05/08/2008 7:05 PM

What contributions have I made? I got you to finally state your credentials. I have made only a few contributions, like designing the refinements on the GTL process now used by Shell, like being on the team designing a CO2 scrubber that was used on the Shuttle. I know, minor in comparison.

Now when do we get to see your wastewater plant in action? Or maybe, the water purifiers?

What I am not able to get across to some people (not that anyone here is stupid, I have been accused many times by my peers of leaping ahead to the conclusion before I have given them all the facts) is that the current leading edge technologies, while effective for the purpose for which they were designed, are not going to solve the fact that the current energy production systems will completely disenfranchise more than 5 BILLION people currently living on this planet.

We need something efficient, portable and cheap to operate.

Please don't insult my and every other person's intelligence on this site by saying it is impossible. If those of us who have dedicated our lives to tackling difficult problems are afraid to take the risks (and yes maybe the dangers) involved then there is no hope for humanity and civilization.

I am not impugning your knowledge or your dedication. However I am questioning your willingness to listen to new ideas. We may have to agree to disagree.

I wish you success in your mission. Blue (not my real name)

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05/08/2008 9:43 PM

How about you accepting a new idea.

I am the only one that can solve the problem because as the supreme being has just told me, I am the only one to whom he has accorded that power.

Now the rest of you just shut up and go back to your knitting.

I just threw that in here because it is a means of demonstrating what a fool you are and how meaningless are such mantras as accusing folks of not being willing "to listen to new ideas."

That statement alone is a con and makes you a con artist because it attempts to inveigle folks to forget that the technical power of modern society is based on a method that has discarded, through the scientific method, whole areas of thought that are invalid.

If left to you we would be back in the caves trying all over again to invent fire or prove that it is useful.

What bullshit!

The same is true of your assertion that we are saying that it is impossible to create an efficient, portable, and cheap power source.

We have said nothing of the sort. We have said that the childish and sometimes dangerous games that largely ignorant people, ignorant of at least basic chemistry and physics, are playing trying to get through electrolysis of water cheap energy, is impossible.

Don't put words in our mouth.

What is further absurd is that there is a form of water that is used to obtain enormous amounts of energy. The process is universally recognized. It is the process of the hydrogen bomb and heavy water is a key element in that process.

I don't notice any of you fools talking about experimenting with heavy water. Why don't you fools try electrolysis on that?

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05/10/2008 12:56 AM

Good luck Jack.

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05/07/2008 4:56 AM

"Please note that I am not trying to generate more energy than I put in. This contrivance will come into function only during Idle/low load (low operating efficiency)."

Doesn't matter what your objective actually is. It won't work anyway. Basically, you want to use electrolysis to break water down into H2 & O2 so that you can burn the H2 gas. What you're thinking of has been promoted many times before as the "water-for-gas" scam you often see on the Internet. I have actually challenged quite a number of these scammers to prove their claims, and all of them have always backed off from my challenge.

You seem like a good sort, so I'll help you out here. This is how you do electrolysis. Get a jar of water. Dissolve some salt in it to improve the conductivity of the water if you want. Put in an even number of terminals. Connect the terminals to a DC supply. Connect half the number of terminals to the +ve terminal, and the other half to the -ve terminal. If you're using more than 2 terminals, connect them in a +ve/-ve alternating pattern. Apply your DC power and observe the amount of gas released at the cathode (the -ve terminal). This is your H2 gas. Now note exactly how much (or rather, should I say, how little) gas is produced. If you were to measure the energy you get from burning this tiny amount of gas, and compare with the amount of energy you put in to produce it, you'll realize why I was posting nonsensical flippant comments here. (And no, this is not yet another flippant, nonsensical reply. I'm being 100% serious here).

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05/10/2008 6:13 AM

My first clue? That he was trying to get power from a spark that is only generated AS NEEDED by the engine, to keep the engine running.....

He approaches it as if there is a constant spark being produced. If you DO pull the spark away from it's job, then the engine will fail....

I am just a simple mechanic here, no engineer(just interested in what they say), but ANY mechanic can tell you, there are 3 things a car needs to run. Fuel, air, and SPARK!

So, when a car does not start, I first look for the absence of one of those 3 vital things. If he hooked this up to his car, and then called me because it would not run, I would check, find no spark at the cylinder, see his contraption, and ask about it. When he told me what it did, I would remove it, the car would run, and then I would charge him about $800, and go spend it on whiskey!

Now, as I read further down, I notice that many Good Answers have been voted, 5 times each, as off topic, I wonder if mine will be too? Seems like some guys are upset that they have been made to look like fools....

Oh, BTW, thanks for the beer!

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Re: Electric Car Idea

05/06/2008 12:16 PM

I've got a friend that keeps sending me links to browns gas, electroyzing cells and things...the only viable one that I've seen that doesn't require filling a water tank is using the exhaust heat to vaporize the fuel before sending it to the engines. Forget using your old injectors or carb'. Going from 30mgp to 900mpg would seem to infer thatif the original engine was only 3% effective, you think you're going to get 100% (which means NO waste heat, NO friction wearing out parts)... OR maybe you meant.

Please invest in some practical course work (like high school physics) before spending too much of your money or time working on this.

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05/06/2008 12:17 PM

So what you really mean is...this isn't an electric car at all!

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05/06/2008 2:51 PM

TWO PORCUIPINES AND RAISIN BRAN... THE ANSWER TO THE WORLDS ENERGY PROBLEMS

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05/11/2008 12:08 AM

As so many have explained, your thought will not work. You cannot make your own fuel as you go along and electrolysis uses more energy to make Hydrogen than you can get by burning the hydrogen. Mixing it with your fuel still will not provide a net gain in energy. If it takes a set amount of energy to run the car, using some of it to make H then using the H for fuel is a net loss of energy to the system.

Streamlining, low rolling resistance tires, smooth bearings, and high efficiency engines, motors, high-energy fuels and batteries all do more to increase mpg at less cost than attempting to make your fuel as you go. Make your H, put it in a tank and use it to supplement the fuel. Much more practical.

Think of converting a car to be able to be a 70+ mph capable Electric Vehicle that can go 50 miles at 40 mph. Higher speed shortens the range. Then use a small efficient steam engine to run a generator able to keep the batteries charged at 70 mph. About 80% of your driving would be on electricity and you could use the same car for the other 20% without inconvenience. Steam is cleaner and more efficient than internal combustion. For more info I'd e-mail - beesidemeusa@yahoo.co.uk - and ask about steam electric hybrids.

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