Further the plastic question.

Add to this list the nanotubes.

They now think these very small man made materials can also be dangerous to health as this article explains.

I think it will never stop.

I just wanted to give you this link

I share you concerns as I had experienced the same severe the cancer caused loss in my life. Your post can't bore anyone.

When it happened in my life I rushed to Internet to find out any materials devoted the cancer issue and I was stunned a quite grim statistic. Plus in case of developing countries there are so small chances to get an effective treatment. Even for developed countries for some types of this illness the chances are looked slight.

I've not see light at the end of tunnel as well that it is really possible right now have stopped plastic using along others materials believed to be dangerous . Polycarbonate in particular is possessing a lot of unique "good" properties to be removed in no time.

So to be more positive I would suggest (not being a "rocket scientist") that prophylactic measures along affordable early stage diagnostic would be a clue for having given inevitable hazardous high risk conditions for the disease. As well as studying a phenomena why one families in its generations have so frequently cases of cancer when others have not practically at all.

Regarding to risky occupations. I have worked for some 10 years in printing press industry. Yes there are so much dangerous liquid and non-liquid materials. But what I noted (in my case and in my land), staff personnel having been working in so stressing environment looked quite healthy and strong to cope with so unhealthy conditions. Here is some specific moment - they all (women include) can drink very hard (not being on duty of course) and smoking like chimneys at their brake time.

Mine school and childhood friend who had graduated as nuclear physician told me that they(students) were advised to be married and get children asap due to they should work on study Nu reactor. He didn't mind of that and nonetheless he have healthy two sons being married twice. Her first late wife had gone by reason of leicemia long time ago.

My another friend who served on nuclear submarine as sailor had told me that he been exposed some radiations along his mates. I remember him very healthy and he else told me that submarine crews had been the only in former Soviet Army who was permitted to drink alcohol after shift (high quality red wine). In Soviet Army alcohol had been banned for soldiers and sailors even free of duty and holidays.

So it's believed there are some mechanisms that can trigger mobilizing program for human organism to cope with severe illness. I in my hope that strengthens of million specialists and maybe common people can bring affordable remedy and clue how to eliminate this very actual problem.

Your link about bright boy at his teens who could resolve very important problem himself without any investments can encourage us in ours hopes for better.

Take a look here it give some hope for possibility of anti-cancer immunity.

As for plastic ban I am ready as you to stop this production crazy racing. Maybe not only drags but any artificial materials should be tested for decades till being allowed for manufacturing. But I so doubt that it can be implemented at least at visible future.

regards,

caramba

Meaning no disrespect, but putting a host of chemicals on the "bad guys list" is not the same as establishing causality. I recognized a couple on your list we had to identify by smell when I was taking organic chemistry back in the day.

Talc was applied to virtually every baby and most men getting haircuts in the 1950's through -- well we used it in the 1980's with our brood, I still get a cloud of it with very hair cut. Probably fragrance too. Chlorine- sanitizer in our pool I've been in pools with poor to terrible chlorine management until I owned my own- so say thirty five years; phenol, use it to kill back nail growth, also millions have used it in mouthwashes. Every 10th grader in the state of ohio had a hour of exposure to formaldehyde most school days for most of a year when dissecting frogs, fish grasshoppers etc. Do Barbers show high incidence compared to non barbers? Babies and mothers to non users of talc? Do pool swimmers show higher frequencies than non pool swimmers? Do biology teachers exposed annually to high amounts of formaldehyde show increased frequency of cancer? Lanolin, Well, its been widely prescribed as a topical to nursing mothers for decades and its not hit anyones radar yet.

Besides chemical activity, Dosage is the other key for understanding most 'toxins.' though some chemicals might be so pernicious, that they can trigger mutagenic reactions.I think your list is unnecessarily broad, but I will not tell you that your personal exerience is not a valid alert for heightened awareness.

But if Talc, chlorine, lanolin and phenol, are bad guys, My entire high school graduating class ought to be dead, by now, and they aren't.

Not trying to be argumentive, but I do believe that your list is too broad and includes some safe in normal usage chemicals.Significant differences in frequencies of occurrence are the factors to track.

milo

Your conclusion is correct but for one left out argument. For most of these chemicals the danger is not alone in the direct contact but in the long-term free moving particles in the environment as an indirect influence. Often it is not just the product we work with that is the danger either but the process by which we made it. Example of this is teflon but there are others.

I agree with you that any list taken from the extensive lists available are going to produce dubious entries that may only be there as it reflects the hidden agenda of the list makers. I did not make this list personally and did not track every chemical on there myself either. I do point out however that the fact that you can find such an abundance of these lists as noteworthy, especially seeing that we do not get told very often that some of these have rotten side effects.

Some of these have since been proven to be dangerous but the industry in general is still ignoring, or sometimes actively stifling, any recommendations.

Your argument that you handled this stuff at school does not really stand up as we all know mercury is bad. We can probably all remember the games they did with mercury in chemistry classes.

You are right in mentioning the dosage as important. That actually strengthens my point as long term exposure of small, almost unnoticeable doses, is often worse. It is also the least researched field. Problem is that 25 years is hard to speed up in clinical tests so the research is done on our doorstep.

Neither you or I can prove this thing either way but it has to be discussed. I just think that the increase of these mutagen induced disorders, including cancers, coincides too much with the ever increasing usage of plastics and other chemicals such as pesticides and fertilisers. Old age is not really the only contributory factor to this increase, as more and more children get it as well.

You forgot Di hydrogen oxide.

No one wants to talk about the absolute number 1 cause of all these afflictions because its TABOO. The number 1 cause, gene pool. We keep people alive that should have died and not passed on genes that cause us to have the afflictions.