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Slip Ring Motor

06/05/2008 3:47 AM

We are having a 2500 ton forging press running by 150 HP slip ring Motor(with 865 RPM)I understand that they using this type of motor since the press needs high torque.

Is it possible to switchover from slipring motor in to Induction Motor?

If Yes,is it necessary to increase the HP of Induction Motor?Is ther any calculations for that?

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Re: Slip Ring Motor

06/05/2008 12:32 PM

First off, that "slip ring motor" is likely a Wound Rotor Induction Motor (WRIM), which by definition IS an induction motor, so I assume you mean that you want to replace it with a Squirrel Cage Induction Motor (SCIM). The only other kind of "slip ring" motor would be a Synchronous motor, not usually used for high torque applications like that. If you have a resistor bank or electrolyte solution that controls the resistance to the rotor through the slip rings, then it is a WRIM. If you have a DC generator (or power supply) applying DC power TO the rotor through the slip rings, then it is a Synchronous motor.

Assuming it is a WRIM, you could possibly use an SCIM, but you will likely need to increase the HP to attain the necessary torque, or have a custom motor made. There is no simplistic formula for determining what size, it will depend upon the torque and speed you need. The only way to do that would be to observe the resistance value you are currently using successfully, compare that to motor data that includes torque-speed curves for each resistance value, then calculate backwards the torque and speed you need to accomplish that, translating it into a number of poles and HP for an induction motor. If you don't have and can't get the original motor manufacturer's data, you would need to have it dyno-tested to be sure.

But why? That WRIM is an almost perfect machine. What is your reasoning for making a costly change? Do you just not understand how simple it really is?

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Re: Slip Ring Motor

06/06/2008 7:30 AM

Yes You are Right.I missed some data.(I am a Mechanical enggineer and experienced in Aluminium forgings,not a Maintenance guy May be due to that)

It is a Wound rotor induction motor having a Resistance Bank.

Just Now we Startup the Press ,after run few parts We broke the Motor shaft.(We inspected and found that some internal crack inside the broken area &It is very old one )

We talked with Motor Mfrs and understand that it is Order to make not a shelf item.But we can get SCIM.We found 200HP SCIM here and will buy it shortly.

Meanwhile the broken shaft is under repairing Work .We will use it agin.Thank You for your guidance.Do You have Any Qns?

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06/10/2008 7:17 AM

The usual reason for using a slip ring (induction) motor is to limit torque and current on start up. This characteristic is especially useful for high inertia loads such as conveyors and flywheels on large presses. To replace the wound rotor motor with a squirrel cage on such a load will require careful analysis of the load requirements and programming a VVVF drive to keep the applied torque within safe limits. Regarding the shaft damage, has the resistor grid system been modified? If so it could be the cause of failure.

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06/06/2008 6:20 PM

But why? That WRIM is an almost perfect machine. What is your reasoning for making a costly change? Do you just not understand how simple it really is.

This should be the FIRST answer, very logical.

If the motor is the synchronous it even could be used (in overexciting mode) to produce reactive power (kVAr). The same is possible with WRIM by rewiring secondary (rotor) ckt for synchronization (DC). By the way, some synchro motors does not have additional DC generator for exiting secondary motor windings (rotor electromagnetic poles) but simple single or three phase rectifiers.

Another aspect of advantage of WRIM is easy starting - no high inrush current!

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06/06/2008 4:41 PM

saf; with a 2500 ton press the time to get operating speed may be longer then your power source or fuses would hold. most wound rotor were used to ramp up to rated rpm. i would think you could use a soft start with a induction motor perry

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