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Fixed Fastener Formula - ASME Y14.5

06/17/2008 7:11 AM

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I have a doubt regarding the allocation of the positional tolerance using "Fixed Fastener Formula" mentioned in the ASME Y14.5.
The formula says that the allowable tolerance i.e. difference between the MMC of the fastener and the MMC of the hole is being equally divided and allocated to the clearabce part and the threaded part.
But I have seen some example in which the division of the tolerance is not equal i.e. not 50:50 but the division may be 60:40 or 70:30 i.e 60% of the total allowable tolerance is given to the threaded part and 40% is given to the clearence part.
Is there any guidelines that can be used for such unequal division of the tolerance or it comes from the experience only?

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Re: Fixed Fastener Formula - ASME Y14.5

06/17/2008 9:18 AM

The way I read your question is your trying to understand how a tolerance was divided between the two mating parts.

May I suggest looking at the tolerance of the threaded part as something that may not be in the control of the designer. As a result, the designer may have allowed more tolerance in his part of the equation as a 'feel good' measure.

I struggle with that every day as my fellow engineers don't truly calculate what tolerance to apply but they use their gut feel as to what to put on the drawing. Often this results in tighter tolerances that is required and higher piece price costs.

If your calculating you tolerances correctly, I suggest you don't dwell on the errors of others.

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Re: Fixed Fastener Formula - ASME Y14.5

06/18/2008 2:10 AM

I have found out that there are three different communities (designers/draftsmen, engineering analysts, and design researchers) using vastly different tools and techniques. Cultural and education differences between these communities have kept them isolated from one another and unaware of the other's techniques. The draftsmen community uses a manual procedure called Min/Max Tolerance Charts; this method is true to Y14.5 but can do only worst-case analysis, and in only one direction at a time.

The engineering analysis community uses computer-aided tolerancesoftware (CATS), such as Mechanical Advantage, VSA, 3DCS, e-TolMate. These can do both worst case and statistical analyses, but because they are based on the parametric approach, they have the limitations mentioned previously, such as partial compatibility with Y14.5. Some CATS systems use the same parametric equations as those used in building the CAD model, while others build an abstracted feature model specific to each analysis case. Emerging methods, such as T-maps claim to have overcome the problem of compatibility with standards while providing full 3D worst case and statistical analysis.

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Re: Fixed Fastener Formula - ASME Y14.5

06/18/2008 8:57 AM

Just find the virtual size of the fastener installed, that will determine your smallest hole.

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