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Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/20/2008 4:35 AM

Chemical additives are being marketed as REDUCING Emissions and Consumption

One common thread is Petroleum vs NON Petroleum

Esters are Organic compounds that supposedly improve the Burn of the fuel

Who has worked on this problem - What works -

The goal is to use Less Fuel and create Less Emissions -

Which products work -

WHY do they work

What about Propane injection for Diesel engines ?

Is it the same kind of change to the behavior of the burn ?

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Re: Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/20/2008 5:37 AM

Emissions of what - NOx? Particulates? CO2?

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06/20/2008 12:32 PM

All ?!! Co2 and Nox preferred - but I will approve of any help I can find.

Propane and Hydroxy are reported to reduce soot in Diesels - and increase power according to the 4x folks I talk to. Some get better mileage, some say more ( dyno ) power -

SOME tell me that various chemical additives ADD to the effect. !

Are these different reactions in the burn ?? OR ??

I am just starting - Testing

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Re: Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/20/2008 10:52 AM

propane in diesel reduces soot and will boost horspower and reduce mpg. There are no free lunches.

Esters carry an Oxygen and therfore will increase power, reduce NOx and lower mpg, so what do you want, more power, more milage, or lower emmisions, you can pick 1 and the other two will go the opposite direction. look up the lambda chart some time.

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Re: Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/20/2008 12:26 PM

That is what is expected, BUT - experience with 2 different chemicals worked out slightly differently -

Emissions went down AND Mileage went up ( 12 % for one / 33 % for the other )

leaving me wondering -

What could account for this discrepancy ?

I will start testing a 3 rd additive next week -

When results do not agree with theory - ???

No changes to vehicles except additive - same brand / pump - etc etc

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06/20/2008 5:22 PM

Are you stating that emission of CO2 went down by 12%, and mileage improved by 33% solely by addition of a fuel additive and no improvement to the efficiency of the engine and energy transfer to the road?

Depending upon the theory, you might question the theory. If it is a well established and highly accepted theory like the laws of thermodynamics, i would suggest you look at the method you used to evaluate and report the data, and the method of data collection and testing.

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Re: Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/20/2008 5:37 PM

Correct - and REPEATABLE - in other peoples cars

5 samples at this time -

Read the patent - free registration is required to get PDF - I store them on my computer.

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06/20/2008 2:34 PM

So this chemical gave me 33% boost on the first two vehicles I tested.

Patent http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5266082.pdf gives the patent for

the chemical that gave me 33 % increase in MY vehicles -

Tested by state agencies etc - all on MLM website -

READ the patent -

EXPLAIN - please -

My EXPERIENCE is that I SAVE MONEY -

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06/20/2008 5:23 PM

You might want to elaborate on MLM, since google shows it as many multi-level marketing schemes/programs.

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06/21/2008 1:29 AM

Will you be kind enough to tell us what is/are the commercial name of the product/s you tested and achieved 33% fuel efficiency. That combined with 12% saving on emissions seems to me like winning a lottery.(seems to be too good to be true- just my gut feeling). Please do not misunderstand. I am not doubting your integrity.

By the way are you also doing a blind test on your trials.

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06/21/2008 3:01 AM

Many trails but no tracks, where are we??

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Re: Fuel Additives to Reduce Emissions and Fuel Consumption

06/23/2008 9:03 AM

Note that the compounds you cite are all OXYGENATED organic chemicals. One aspect of burning fuel rapidly and at high temperatures is to get as complete burning of the fuel as possible, plus increase hp or energy output.

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06/23/2008 3:24 PM

Road test usually subject to lots of error due to driving habit, temp, humidity, etc.

Put the car on dyno or pull the engine out and measure actual fuel usage under controlled environment.

Notice all additive manufacturer/seller only use "customer test results"? I wonder how many bad results are thrown out?

Setup a proper test and prove your product actually works.

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