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Power consumption

06/23/2008 11:44 AM

Given:

Parking ramp

100 watt HPS

Qty: 234 interior zone

Hours of operation: 24 hours

Voltage: 277

Cost per kw: .07

Question:

1. Cost per hour?

2. recommendation on energy conservation

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Re: Power consumption

06/23/2008 2:26 PM

Part 1 - 100 Watts x 234 lamps (if one lamp per zone) = 23400 Watts or 23.4 Kw

So, 23.4 kw x 0.07 per kwh = 1.638 per hour

Part 2 - Use light pipes with fiber-optic or mirror reflection and solar tracking collection of daylight so you can turn the lights off during daylight hours. Or, use LED lighting and solar power collectors to operate during daytime. This approach is a little expensive to install but it will pay for itself in savings many times.

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06/23/2008 2:29 PM

Thank you

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06/23/2008 2:37 PM

Given: 100 Watts (lamps) x 234 lamps = 23400 Watts or 23.4 Kw

So, 23.4 kw x 0.07 per kwh (average electrical cost) = $1.638 per hour.

Then: $1.638 X 24hr = $39.312 per day.

Then: $39.312 X 365 = $14,348.88 per year.

Would this be correct?

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06/24/2008 12:29 AM

Sorry but that's all wrong.

A 100W HPS lamp will use a ballast that consumes about 12-20 watts. Depends on quality and type. So:

120 x 234 lamps = 28,080 = 28 kW x 0.07 = 1.96 per hour.

Fibre optic etc only work during the day and offer no saving at night. There would be problems getting the light tubes into an underground carpark. And much too costly.

LEDs are a very inefficient lightsource, while HPS is the most efficient known. LEDs are less than half the efficiency. Long life though so low maintenance. But practical LEDs to replace 100W HPS are way too expensive.

The way to save energy is to turn the fittings off. Unfortunately HPS do not turn off and on very well. The solution is to use fluroescent instead, preferably dimming 35watt T5 (which are as efficient as HPS). These can be dimmed to avoid over illumination (a problem with carparks as you must assume a low maintenance factor of about 0.5) and turned off when the space is unoccupied (via motion sensor). Expensive though, so you have to work out the payback period.

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06/24/2008 7:30 AM

Thank you very much for your time on my issue.

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06/26/2008 5:27 PM

+10 points for including ballast loss. -9 points for assuming that they are all 20 Watts. Where was it stated that the garage was underground? Oh, and thanks for the tip about the fibre optics at night. On my planet, the Sun never sets.

And where did you get your information about LED lighting being inefficient? The fluorescent lighting industry is very, very concerned about LED lighting. The lighting industry magazines have been highlighting their use in European markets for years. "less than half the efficiency of HPS" what? No way! Your information is contaminated.

While I agree that fluorescent lighting is probably the best choice at the moment, (at least in the US market) I disagree that T5 is the solution. T8 is a much better choice because T8 lamps offer the highest lumens per watt. T5 lamps are decorator lamps and the latest fashion. That does not make them the best choice.

Using a fluorescent lamp with a dimming ballast is not an efficient use of lamp products. A dimming ballast will reduce the operating temperature of the lamp and reduce the lumens per watt substantially. Consequently your savings go away. Secondly, no two manufacturers of fluorescent have been able to make a coil (emitter) with the same electrical characteristics from one day to the next or from one manufacturer to the next, so keeping a fluorescent lamp operating at reduced power is risky because of emitter loss (i.e. reduced life)

And motion sensors are not expensive unless you try to put one in every fixture. Frequent On and Off cycles, however, shortens fluorescent life dramatically.

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06/27/2008 7:33 AM

Thank you

If you were going to make a recommindation my understanding is that you would:

1. Use of T8

2. No dimming

3. Motion sensors in as correct location as possible but limited to reduce installation costs.

4. If you were going to try and give the best calculation on payback what would you use for your watage? Ballast? HPS Bulb?

5. Other then missing on the wattage are the other numbers in line with your thoughts?

6. One ramp that we have focused on is using a three lamp fixture and shutting down two in the unoccupied period, keeping the third lamp on for safety also it supplies heat which allows the others to fire up in colder temps. More costly in the on period but with motions sensors it allows them to be off longer for the energy payback.

7. One level is below ground 5 levels above.

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06/26/2008 5:59 PM

"A 100W HPS lamp will use a ballast that consumes about 12-20 watts. Depends on quality and type."

What???

A 100W ballast CONSUMES at least 100W! Actually a little more. I just looked at a few, the input watts are between 109 and 128W.

Maybe what you meant is that a MH fixture that puts out the equivalent light output of a 100W incandescent lamp will consume 12-20W. That I would believe.

But if he is using 100W MH lamps, the ballasts will consume slightly MORE than 100W each.

109W input example

128W input example

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06/27/2008 7:35 AM

Thank you for the information I will attach this to my request.

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06/24/2008 8:48 PM

HPS is just about as efficient a source as you can get.

Will the design accomodate 70W. HPS without going below acceptible ltg. levels?

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06/25/2008 7:44 AM

Because of the lighting design location our owners feel the tenant safety is a factor when we tried relamping to 70w, dropped below 1.5 lumens.

Can you tell me if this sounds correct.

Thank you

Core lighting (285 fixtures) Levels A/B/C/D/E

Note: (Level F could be shut down completly but was not figured into the equation)

Given: 120 Watts (lamp 100 watt hps + Ballast 20 watt) x 285 lamps (interior zone) = 34,200 Watts or 34.2 Kw

So, 34.2 kw x 0.07 per kwh (average electrical cost) = $2.394 per hour.

Then: $2.394 X 24hrs = $57.456 per day.

Then: $57.456 X 365 = $20,971.44 per year to operate.

Core Lighting Reduction (171 fixtures)

If were able to shut down four of the six zones: 171 units

120 Watts (lamp 100 watt hps + Ballast 20 watt) x 171 lamps (interior zone) = 20,520 Watts or 20.52 Kw

So, 20.52 kw x 0.07 per kwh (average electrical cost) = $1.4364 per hour.

Then: $1.4364 X 24hrs = $34.4736 per day.

Then: $34.4746 X 365 = $12,582.86 per year to operate.

Monday through Friday: Off = 8:00 pm until 8:00 am = 60 hours X 52 = 3,120

Saturday and Sunday = off = 48 hours X 52 = 2,496

Holidays (5) = 60 hours (based off of 12 hour regular shut off)

Totals off hours = 5,676 hours X $1.4364 (average electrical cost) = $8,153.00 savings per year

Other options still evaluating:

LEDs are a very inefficient light source, while HPS is the most efficient known. LEDs are less than half the efficiency. Long life though so low maintenance. But practical LEDs to replace 100W HPS are way too expensive.

The way to save energy is to turn the fittings off. Unfortunately HPS do not turn off and on very well. The solution is to use fluorescent instead, preferably dimming 35watt T5 (which are as efficient as HPS). These can be dimmed to avoid over illumination (a problem with car parks as you must assume a low maintenance factor of about 0.5) and turned off when the space is unoccupied (via motion sensor).

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