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Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/27/2008 12:48 AM

For varied industries how.where do they acquire the needed services for having their existing calibration measurement standards ( resistor, voltage,attenuators,load cells,accelelormeters, standard thermometers, pressure standards) certified/measured by standards calibration systems...which I understand is a higher level of standards testing ...up to NIST U.S.legal measurement standards where required if there are no standards labs in their local state or region?

I am new to this area...so please be frank in directing me to where I can understand the industries that may have to outsource these standards testing services....the company I represent has NVLAB lab code 200597-0 Accreditation to ISO/IEC, 17025:1999, as well as compliant to ANSI/NCSL Z540-1-1994 and ISO 9002:1994 standards. All measurements and calibrations are traceable to NIST, Inter-laboratory Comparison support to fulfill national accreditation and ISO/IEC 17025:1999 requirements in the following areas:

AC Current, DC Current, DC resistance, DC Voltage, AC Voltage, LF Capitance, Phase Meters, Voltage transformers, Oscillator Characterizations, Pressure, Resistance Thermometry and VAcuum & Low Pressure

Would like to connect to a SME in this area for assistance in understanding where these acccreditations are unique and needed for automotive industry, steel industry, aerospace industry, ship building industry...and others in our state.

If this is an inappropriate question...please forgive me...I am just needing assistance in understanding where this company may add value to alabama's existing manufacturing industries overall...can you help?

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 7:17 AM

Hi...in India it is the National Physical Laboratory (NPL) who caliberate the master instruments for a fee. The NPL master's caliberation is inturn traceable to the ISO master and is accredited. You can easily locate a similar agency in your country.

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 12:24 PM

If the accreditation of your Lab is really done according to e.g. EN17025, which regulates basic behaviour, you'll will find while studying the quality management documents the address of the certified body who did your accreditation. I don't know how the U.S. is organized but I assume that there is several subsidaries of NIST elsewhere in the different states. I could also be that for auditation always someone from Boulder, CO has to travel to you to finally sign the next certificate. The calibration against standards should anyway be always up-to-date and well documented and you must be able to present it in a reasonable time, haha... (see 17025)

BTW, Great Britain has a NPL as well and I assume that it is probably comparable with NIST in the U.S. and the Indian NPL is very likely a clone of the british one ;-)

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 12:52 PM

Thank you so much for responding...I am just learning this space and and trying to find some help/someone to talk to to understand more. If you will...take a look at this company...www.uii.com....they are the ones I have been hired by to take their excellence in standards testing into other markets here in the US....they have been serving the US Navy in this area for 20 years...so they have a long track record of excellence. Standards labs are not abundant in my state,,,many have to send their calibration test measurements out of state to have the calibration measurements certified by the higher level standards testing traceable to NIST...which is the US entity that sets the national standards requirements and extends the accreditations to companies that qualify for delivery according to those specialities.

You should know that you are talking to a former career IBM account exec...but only as the marketing and relationship management....and a Public Relations major from college at...not an engineer...thanks for your kind assistance...blessings...Cindy

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 1:06 PM

CIndyM, if you are doing work in the automotive field and are looking for testing your product for certification to US CAR standards, then usually that requires a lab that is UL2A certified. That would mean sending your product off to them for testing.

If you are just looking to have your testing and measuring equipment calibrated then all you need to do is find a lab that has standards on step higher than what you are using (say if you are using a tolerance of .001", then they would have to be certified to .0001"). If there certification is linked to NIST, then the equipment you are having calibrated would also be linked through to NIST by their certification.

If I have totally misunderstood your question, please let me know.

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 1:23 PM

Thanks so much for your relpy...I am representing a company in DC that is looking to commercialize their standards testing services into Alabama industries that now have to oursource to varied service providers ...cost time and money. My role is to assist this company grow into other markets...they have been serving the US Navy for 20 years...www.uii.com. So am not a "buyer" of these services...rather a business development manager for them trying to assist them grow their business into other markets needing standards testing services...gas/utilities/aerospace/ship building/auto and others their competencies can serve. Looking to replicate their lab and related services into Alabama to save money and time for Alabama companies now outsourcing these services outside of Alabama....really new to the metrology field...but not new to offering bus and industry efficiencies and value where there is a fit...hope that helps...and I really appreciate your responding...Iam trying to learn...blessings...Cindy

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06/28/2008 1:09 PM

Cool! From uii.com I learned that: "UII is proud to announce the recent NVLAP accreditation of our Metrology Standards Laboratory." This means to me that there is already several persons which already very likely deal with NIST and that your NVLAP is sort of comparable with NIST and offers services which normally would offer NIST only.

We do also send equipment to local metrology labs but some of our measurement devices are to big or to heavy to be transported to those labs such that they have to come and do in-house calibration.

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/28/2008 5:45 PM

Hi Cindym,

Nobody is going to know what is needed in other industries that they don't participate in. If you want A2LA accreditation, go to A2LA's web site. It will list the scopes of Laboratories that they accredit. NVLAB should do the same. The person who needs the calibration may have to contact several labs to ask questions about uncertainty, turn-around-time, price, type of cal, and so forth. They may have to ship their unit across the country to get the calibration they need. Hope this helps.

regards,

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Re: Measurement Standards from Calibration Labs

06/30/2008 9:37 AM

Cindy,

My name is Justin Flamion. I am with Tangent Labs. We are A2LA ISO/IEC 17025 Accredited Laboratory. Check out our website at tangent labs.com. My email is justin.flamion@yahoo.com. Do you need equipment Calibrated? Thank you

- Justin

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