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fm broadcast station

07/21/2008 4:04 AM

i want to know about fm broadcasting and a circuit that can be used for fm broadcasting.

actually we are planning to install a community radio station at our collage premises.i need it to work for at least 2-3 kms of range.

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07/21/2008 7:45 AM

ARRL Handbook would be a great place to start.

You can buy it at a host of different places, but check your college library. That would probably be your best resource for that book and dozens of others.

Be sure to observe all local and national laws that govern transmission of RF.

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07/23/2008 5:25 AM

dear sir i do not want to buy but i want to embedd it myself. so sent me some schematic

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07/21/2008 10:10 AM

manoj kumar,

Building a stable FM transmitter "from scratch" definitely requires more finesse than AM, based upon my personal experience from decades ago. (I am talking about the discrete component - early I.C. era)...

Things like hand tuning coils to "fine-tune" your output freq... And endlessly "tweaking" your analog PLL (Phase-Locked Loop) circuitry, to improve performance & stability.

While the ARRL handbook is an excellent place to start, as Anonymus Hero said, you might want to check out the web site of Ramsey electronics

(http://www.ramseyelectronics.com)

They sell various hobbyist kits as well as pre-assembled AM & FM transmitters, and many other types of electronic equipment.

You could purchase a kit that would suit your needs for well under a hundred dollars (US)...

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07/21/2008 9:54 PM

2-3km may need 5w power at leat.

do your athorities agree you set up such station freely?

no any constrains? or you will be punished by them if no certificate.

mono or stereo fm do you want to setup?

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07/22/2008 3:53 AM

I regularly transmit over 30Km on 5 Watts of power, there are so many variables that effect proporgation distance to be so specific including height, surrounding area, antenna gain etc...

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07/23/2008 12:02 AM

you are right, it depends on frequency as well besisdes your said above.

if you use super short wave, this power can transport through the wide world by reflect of F layer.

are you a harmmer? although harm station is using am. or a fox searcher?

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07/23/2008 3:20 AM

I am a G7 Amateur radio licensee in the UK and I've been mainly operational on 144-146Mhz (2M) not far from the FM Broadcast band, I have played with HF equipment down to 3Mhz and as you say the possibilties are great in comparison, I did built a kit form FM Transmitter using 2x 2N3566's but it was very basic and I had problems with stability, I used a standard 3 element Yagi FM antenna and acheived a range of about 4 miles across town.

This maybe useful for Manoj Kumar:

http://members.tripod.com/~transmitters/links.htm

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07/21/2008 11:09 PM

The most important question is: How much money do you have to start this station?

What do you want the station to do? How long will you be broadcasting? Do you want to sell advertising? How many hours will you be broadcasting? How many people are willing to actively support the station?

There are a variety of solutions out there. But these questions should be answered first.

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07/22/2008 4:32 AM

THANKS FOR THE KIND SUGGESTION

dear sir,

we are student and we are planning to establish the FM station at our collage for student benefit.

collage authorities are ready to invest around Rs.10 to 15 lack.but we want it be as cheap as possible.

broadcasting time is 5-7hrs a day.

we will be selling advertisements.

complete collage authority and a few students are in support of this station.

i want a schematic for broadcasting station.

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07/22/2008 5:46 AM

I am not aware of Indian broadcast regulations, so I am only speaking on the technical aspects.

1. I assume that you mean 10,000 to 15,000 rupees is your budget. That is less than $250.00 USD. This is barely enough for a small antenna and cable. Your budget for a small station that you can sell advertising on should be somewhere around 150,000 and that is barely enough to get on the air.

2. You really need a engineer to do a on site consultation. As a starting point I would get a hold of anna FM @ 90.4, Anna University, Chennai, Madras, and talk to their engineer. A engineer at another college station would help if your school president phoned their school president.

3. What is the topography of your area? are you on top of a hill or in a valley?

4. you need a computer with a sound card and audio processing software like adobe audition. You also need automation software. Most packages are very expensive but there is some gnu suites out there.

5. a small antenna and proper cable to your transmitter is very important. you cannot skimp on these expenses and a good set should cost you around 10,000. antenna placement and tuning is very important.

6. You need a transmitter. A 30-50 watt transmitter in the fm band should be good enough. You can get a new one for around $1,500 USD. You can buy a used one for maybe $800 but the probability of it failing within the first year is 50/50.

7. You need to find a engineer who can support your station. without a good engineer the first problem you encounter will kill the station and maybe destroy the transmitter.

8. the station will need to have audio equipment like a mixing board, microphones, and amplifiers.


It is not going to be easy to do this and your should secure more funding before going further. You can do it for less money, but you will have to do much work to keep it on the air.

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07/22/2008 9:10 AM

In the US, without a license from the FCC, you may not broadcast more than I believe 1/2w of power. I do not know the licensing requirements in your locality, but I would be surprised if India did not have some similar regulations. Building a 5W transmitter, while not exactly child's play, is also not out of the realm of possibility either. However In the US, you have to have an "Expert" Amateur radio license or a commecial radio engineer license in order to legally operate a homebrew transmitter with that power level. Additionally, you may find that it will actually be cheaper to buy an off-the-shelf unit than it would be to build one from scratch. You may have other motivations for building it from scratch such as a learning tool for radio technicians etc. but you'll need to justify spending the extra money somehow.

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07/22/2008 9:21 AM

to have an "Expert" Amateur radio license

Did you mean amateur "extra"? There is no such classification as amateur "expert" in the US.

I might make sense to buy a transceiver though, rather than build one if he wants to get on the air soon. Perhaps build a kit. That is another option.

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07/22/2008 9:26 AM

excuse me, you're right, I did mean Extra. mea culpa.

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07/22/2008 9:34 AM

I know cuz I is 1

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07/23/2008 5:21 AM

what is that i do not understand........

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07/23/2008 5:34 AM

dear sir you are right that we are trying to embed that station of our own. so if you can help us by sending schematics which we can embed our self. we are just student not professional. we need it should communicate in our collage campus(2-4 Km) so we are hoping for the the best...............

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07/22/2008 9:39 AM

Another thing to consider, you will need a transmitter that is designed for continuous duty.

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07/22/2008 7:26 PM

Hello, like Jman said Ramsey Electronics has complete transmitters both AM and FM and in kit forms from small up to commercial. Also, you could start small and add power amp if the lower power did not cover the area. They have antennas and most any other items you would need.

Is this going to be live or taped broadcast? You will probably need a mixer board for mike input and also for tape, cd, or any other source.

I have used there FM25B unit in a Drive In theater here in the USA. I found the audio out to the speaker system and taped off to the unit so the cars could receive on the radios because there were more parking spots than working windows speakers.

Just using a 1/4 wave antenna Inside the projector room about 1.5m off the ground and with the unit in low power mode the range was 1/4 to 1/2 mile .4 to.8 Km. This was I think 100mW level.

Anyway give them a look, most items can be got in kit form, if you want to learn how it works and to put it together and save a little money. Or buy assembled and tested for a little more.

Also, make sure to look in pro-audio for the rest of what you need to set up a station.

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disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Ramsey, Just a consumer, and I have built several of there kits over the years. The manuals are good, the boards are good and the parts come with it. So no sourcing for parts. The cases are optional on some kits. Unless you're building a turnkey system I'd get the matching cases.

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07/23/2008 5:46 AM

thanks

yes it will be be a tapped broadcasting. we want to broadcast the guest lecture in our campus to all those student who can not attend the lecture.

we need your kind guidance to complete this project. we want help the student community in our collage. and we want to embed it of our own so that student can get good knowledges about the FM broadcasting

hoping for the best***************

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07/25/2008 1:32 AM

Hello, After reading some of the new posts. I think Buying a kit would be the best compromise between designing from scratch with the problems in doing design and board layout. Verse buying a complete built and tested unit. The reason being working with R.F. and trying to make a noise free and stable circuit can be difficult. With the Kit the board and components have been through the design and stabilize to produce a good product.

Also with the kit the manual walks you through the components and theory and troubleshooting and if needed tech support. And it discuss the proper ways to solder the components. Here a link to the Ramsey Electronics Kit FM25B

the only thing the online manual does not have is the schematics.

To interface the Tape system to the F.M. unit all you would need is a simple cable from the line out on the tape unit to the input. If your tape unit does not have line out you can use the headphone jack you would just half to be careful not to over drive with the volume out of the headphone jack. Otherwise it would be distorted very badly.

Like I had said and audio mixer with several inputs one for a mike,tape unit 1, tape unit2, C.D.unit, or what ever else and the mixer has audio out for a monitor speaker/headphone jack so you can hear what going in and coming out. Very useful feature to have. Other wise you would need a radio to hear and adj on air Which is not good. Although it would be good practice to monitor with a radio just make sure the system is working correctly.

Also someone else mention duty cycle this unit will work contentious with out any problem.

Hope this helps you some

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07/25/2008 5:36 AM

thanks for your kind help

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12/30/2008 9:36 PM

Dear friend,

I Have experience in to build FM transmitters. Different powers and diferent antennas. If you find some solution is OK, but if you like I can provide you information.

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