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Cable Size

07/21/2008 11:42 AM

As Pualusgnome asked the details-----

We are setting up a new block factory for that I have to calculate the cable size. The details are ----

Voltage = 380v AC 3phase 60Hz

maximmum load = 585 kW minimum = 535 kW ( Block Plant )

load = 415 kW for future facillity

Available Transformer = 1000KVA We have requested another Transfomer of same capacity

As mentioned earlier the distance is 245 m and desired cable material - copper

Help me !!!!!!!!

If anyone know the website for free online calculators it will be great...........

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Re: Cable Size

07/21/2008 3:32 PM

The number of enquires regarding cable and busbar sizing questions for what appear to be actual construction jobs (as opposed to homework questions) is getting a little disturbing.

You have 3 options in my professional opinion.

1) Get a professional electrician, engineer, electrical consultant or someone similar to do the cable size and de-rating calculations and cable selection for you.

2) If you are one of the above (mentioned in 1)), then try looking at the websites of almost any of the major cable manufacturers. They have detailed application documents covering everything you need to size the cable. Details can also be found in local wiring regulation and building standards you should be using. Try asking a colleague too.

3) Get a professional to do it. Now I know I mentioned this point twice but I thought it was important enough to be mentioned again.

Seriously, people who believe in free energy devices given to them by aliens can (and do) post on this engineering site. This is not a consultancy firm and you should be checking everything you read here and on the web yourself. If someone gives you an answer and you don't know its wrong (and no one here lets you know), and you use that data you are in a vast quantity of trouble. Given what you have already said I don't believe you would know.

Sorry but there is an easy answer, but you should know it. Please call a local professional.

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Re: Cable Size

07/21/2008 4:51 PM

I agree with Jack. This is a simple problem for those in the electrical business.

Put some numbers up and make an effort to do it yourself. I will be glad to assist but I won't do it for you.

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Re: Cable Size

07/22/2008 2:39 AM

Dear Arif

Please mention the ambient temprature, load behaviour, either there are torque lods or smooth loads, the cable burried directly under groud or hanging on walls or through steel conuit system then it will be very easy to calculate the cable size, one thing is very necessary, that is the length of the cable.

Your all local cable manufacturers provide the cable sizes tales and other factors calculation you also can get their ''cable and table'' book from them.

Please submitt the requred data I will provide you the exact cable size according to IEEE.

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07/22/2008 9:13 AM

Will you be available as a defendant in a lawsuit if several people die because he left out a decimal point? He is not hooking up a clothes dryer here. If he wants to do it himself then the information is readily available on the internet. If he can't decipher the information, then he shouldn't be messing with this project without an on-site professional anyway.

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Re: Cable Size

07/23/2008 8:09 PM

The selection of suitable cable for any electrical system is the basic job of electrical engineer and a qualifying requirement for carrying out electrical job as per any safety standards. This type of thread is often seen in CR4 and I feel either the people putting up the thread are with out basic technical knowledge or people want a simple answer to attend an interview question. The proper answer to a cable selection or bus bar selection is so elaborate that it needs a minimum of one week's refresher course. Designing any electrical distribution network and electrical switchboard panel is real technical job and not amateur's job as it involves safety of the people operating the system and equipments. Providing a simple formula or calculated figure is improper as the value depend on various parameters. A basic parameters for selection of cable and factors to be considered are listed below .

  1. The cable should be rated for the correct voltage rating and size of conductor.
  2. The selection of normal current rating will depend on temperature rise on normal conditions. This will depend on :-

(i) The ambient temperature of the location where the cable is laid .

(ii) The type of laying of the cable viz. underground, on cable tray, in air ,in duct etc. each condition has its own de rating factors.

(iii) The type of cable XLPE, PVC, PILC, FRLS etc and material of conductor (Copper, Aluminum). Armored, unarmored

(iv) The type of industry and load chemical, engineering, fixed load , varying load,

(v) The length of cable and depth of lying

(vi) System of back up protection and tripping time delay.

3. Short circuit rating of the conductor

The principle involved here is that the cable selected should withstand the short circuit current with out temperature rise or damage till the time the protective device like fuse ,MCB, MCCB , ACB , OCB, VCB etc. operate to disconnect the faulty system from the mains.

In India we follow the recommendation of IS 3691-1967 Part I, III, III, IV, and V Similar standards are followed in all countries which will provide the required data to select the cable.

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Re: Cable Size

08/21/2008 8:50 AM

open link :

http://www.electriciancalculators.com/

may be helpfull but requires knowledge to even understand the contants,but one needs experiance and knowledge to size cables properly,engineering is no nonsense business and mistakes can lead to disastures.

seriously consider hiring a local consultant.

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