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C1035 Steel

08/19/2008 10:20 AM

Hi All,

Could someone elaberate on what the grade of steel (i think it is a grade) C1035 (AISI 1035) refers to and what if so the equivalent would be used in the South African market - the material would need to be solid round bar for the purposses of thread rolling.

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Re: C1035

08/19/2008 10:46 AM

About DSC of Nigeria is Specified in link . It could be helpful for C1035 itself .Few properties are also described in this .

http://www.journal.au.edu/au_techno/2006/oct06/journalTechV10N2_aticle06.pdf

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08/19/2008 11:02 AM
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Re: C1035 Steel

08/19/2008 4:20 PM

Hi guest 1035 steel is the north american designation for a plain carbon steel of .32-.38 wt % Carbon, .60 .90 Manganese, and .040 max Phos and 0.050 max Sulfur. I would expect this to be silicon killed .15-.35 wt % Si. not sure if it is usually sold as fine grain steel or not.

I'm thinking that C35, C35E, Cq 35 or 1.0501 would be European recognized grade designations. S35C and SWRCH35K would be Japanese designations. I have seen Chinese grades labeled "35" and "ML35" for essentially the same material.

Good luck.

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Re: C1035 Steel

08/20/2008 8:37 AM

Unfortunately each country has set its own codes.Now in days of globalisation such problems crop up as designs are made in one country and mfg.is done in some other country and leads to guessing regarding the codes.It is high time there is ISO to establish common codes.

Suresh Sharma.

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08/20/2008 11:32 AM

Suresh, what you say is true, but there are costs in trying to Change "legacy systems." At the national, NGO, agency, industry, Company, Distribution, engineering, and enduser levels.

If ISO were to dictate the "common codes" to be used, that system would certainly create winners of the firms and countries whose systems were adopted, and losers of the companies and countries whose systems were not selected. There is a huge expense to changing just the internal documentation for the meltlines at the steel works, not to mention every call out on every drawing already created. The losers would thus be at a huge cost disadvantage having to modify all of their systems and documentations and practices to conform to the new "norm."

So there will be very strong push back from those countries who already have a huge cost sunk in their particluar grade nomenclature system., and would face "insurmountable" costs to change. (not to mention learning curve issues with performance, properties heat treat response of the new grades etc.)

The real lesson, as I see it, is for those countries just starting to industrialize, NOW IS THE TIME TO SELECT THE STANDARD SYSTEM that serves your needs and then do it, rather than letting a crazy quilty hodge podge of local practices add costs and inefficiencies to your economy. I visited shops in China where they modelled their practices after the Germans, (Shanghai) some that followed the US (Beijing) and a couple that were standardized on Japanese system based on their trading partners...

I have found that helping companies figure out which grades are comparable is a foundation stone of my personal economy... So will the standards bodies in the countries who would get 'cut out" by such an ISO scheme...

Thats the view from over here. Thanks for your thoughtful post.

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Re: C1035 Steel

08/21/2008 6:57 AM

Dear Milo,

I agree with what you say,but I am being Indian have come across many codes such as British,German.American & Indian. As earlier we were ruled by British we had En series,then we had collaboration from all around the world, so we had drawings with DIN codes, American drgs. with ASME codes, our own IS code.

What I found that every code had equivalent material for specific items,of course there were metallurgical changes about compositions of different constituents.So by making some exercise may be we can come to common code after few years.After all globalisation has made world very small.

Suresh Sharma.

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08/21/2008 7:38 AM

Suresh, I agree on your fundamentals. however "there were metallurgical changes about compositions of different constituents.So by making some exercise may be we can come to common code after few years" The cost of making those metallurgical changes that you forsee add cost. And that cost disproportionately falls to the established, legacy producers. "their ox gets gored" by such standardization, thus they will oppose it.

"After all globalisation has made world very small." True, but as we learn from the developing countries, that does not necessitate becoming homogenous...

Just as people want to keep their cultural assets intact, so too do those with "legacy intellectual systems" want to keep them intact, and at the least not have to spend money to reconstruct them whaen they work perfectly fine for their/our purposes...

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Re: C1035 Steel

08/20/2008 10:00 PM

Hello Guest,

The C1035 Grade is a carbon steel that is used as a standard by all the major steel makers.

I have tried to list things in order of what may be useful, but please go right to the bottom of my post to get a full idea with phone numbers etc.

Good luck and please let us know how you get on. Of course you could always buy your bar from known specific grade makers anywhere in the world. The Newcastle plant is 'Accredited'

I would imagine the SAISI specs' are the same as 'AISI'. But a call or email to SAISI will get the details you want.

http://www.saisi.co.za/faq.php (SAISI: South African Iron and Steel Institute).

American Iron and Steel Institute:

http://www.steel.org//AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home

I list the names, addresses and phone # of the South African Steel manufacturers:

If I were you I would ring or email SAISI, to confirm 'Specs'. You will see more names and personal emails and phone #'s below.

As far as I can make out it is the Newcastle Plant which deals with bar steel.

This is the web address which lists all the sites. Hover over the sites on the Map: http://www.arcelormittal.co.za/Locations.aspx?mid=14

  • Straight and Coiled Round Bar (Round Bar for general applications; Bolt & Nut; Black Bar; Bright Drawing; Machining; Automotive forging; Spring Steel; Forging; Grinding Media; Reinforcing); and
  • Rails for Mines and Sidings The plant's major markets are the mining, engineering, automotive, building, construction and agricultural industries. For technical enquiries at Newcastle contact: Elmarie Mare
  • For all other enquiries at Newcastle contact: Johnny Venter
    Name:

    Tel:
    Fax:
    Email:
    Adriaan Roux
    Product Manager, Market Strategy & New Business Development
    034 314 7172
    034 314 7235
    Adriaan.Roux@mittalsteel.com
    What are the contact details of the SAISI members?
    Company Tel Fax Website
    ArcelorMittal South Africa Ltd Flat Products+ 27 16 889 2000+ 27 16 889 2356http://www.arcelormittal.co.za
    ArcelorMittal South Africa Ltd Long Products+ 27 16 440 3471+ 27 16 440 3142http://www.arcelormittal.co.za
    Cape Gate+ 27 11 339 6091+ 27 11 339 3935http://www.capegate.co.za
    Cisco+ 27 21 903 2141+ 27 21 903 9495http://www.cisco.co.za
    Columbus Stainless+ 27 13 247 2020+ 27 13 247 2024http://www.columbus.co.za
    Highveld Steel+ 27 13 690 9014+ 27 13 690 9063http://www.highveldsteel.co.za
    Scaw Metals Group+ 27 11 842 9000+ 27 11 842 9705http://www.scaw.co.za
    Additional company contact details on the SAISI members are available on the SAISI website homepage in the "Members" section.
    Where are the primary steel plants located in South Africa?

    A map on the location of the primary steel plants in South Africa is available on the SAISI website homepage on the "Primary Steel Industry" button and then the "Primary Steel Plants" button.
    What is the history of the South African primary steel industry?

    A concise summary of selected important events in the development of the South African primary steel industry covering events from 1882 to date is available on the SAISI website homepage on the "Primary Steel Industry" button and then the "History" button.
    Where are the SAISI offices located?

    The SAISI offices are situated on the 21st floor of the SAAU building on the corner of Andries and Schoeman streets in the city centre of Pretoria.
    SAAU BUILDINGP O BOX 6318TEL: 012 320 2450
    21st FLOORPRETORIAINT.: +27 12 320 2450
    C/O ANDRIES &0001FAX: (012) 320 2456
    SCHOEMAN STRSOUTH AFRICAINT.: +27 12 320 2456
    PRETORIA
    You will be able to find additional contact information on the staff of SAISI on the SAISI homepage on the "Contact us" button. stay safe babybear
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