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What gives with the missing GA's?!?!?

08/31/2008 12:31 AM

Just a quick quandry here about GA's... I seem to remember having a couple of them and just recently noticed that I am missing any sign of GA's under my avatar... What gives? I understand from other threads that, supposedly, you can lose a GA if a member were to vote an off topic vote against your GA... Yes or No?!? My questions are - how do I find where those damn things were, I totally forgot their whereabouts? And (not to sound like I am crying or sniveling, 'cause I am not) why, if they have been awarded by other members can they be taken away? I know that an off topic can be voted and used to discredit a GA... honestly though, it seems like a bit of BS to think that this can happen in this manner.

Is it a case of vendetta? Do not know... I know that I have had rows with others here on the forum (usually with them disguised as guest) but, honestly I would not think about going out and doing anything like this to another member...

This isn't about leaving the site like the 'I am leaving post' ('cause I ain't going no where Vern), just questions in the same ball park. And just wondering if it is nothing more than calling into question the integrity of an idividual(s) here on the CR4 site...

GA's... I can live with them and I can live without them. Once you have them though, it seems like you should not be able to lose them...

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Re: What gives with the missing GA's?!?!?

08/31/2008 5:59 AM

Hello Ferris

GA Points cannot be awarded or removed by "Guests", as any person not Logged in is a Guest, and that means they do not even see the Post "Rate" button.

"Guests" are able to see the rating of a Post, and whether a Post has one or more GA Points.

The above may be easily checked, by logging out, clearing out your Internet Browser History, Cookies, cache etc, and arriving back on CR4 then not Logging in as a Member, you see exactly what a "non-logged-in Guest" sees.

A Poster called "Guest" may be awarded one or more GA Points, for a Post or each of several Posts.

No Guest is distinguishable from another, (except by the type of manner, language structure, syntax, grammar etc), thus the various "Guests" are not able to gain any GA Points for themselves, just for "Guest", but only via a Post "Rate" vote from one or more Registered Members.

The GA Point system is Subjective, not Objective.

GA Points gained by a Registered Member, or the multitude of visitors called "Guest" or a Registered CR4 Member Posting anonymously, as "Guest", can gain or lose GA Points.

No Member is able to award him/her self any GA Points - All GA Points are able to be awarded by other Registered Members only, because only a Logged in Registered Member is able to see the "Rate" button.

GA Points may be removed, by a successive number of "No" votes, by Members only.

No Member may Rate a Post more than the single time.

Further explanation is here: http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/232468/Re-I-am-leaving

As far as I can see, the GA Point System is fair, because Members are rated by Registered CR4 Members = their peers.

Sure there may be a Member who disagrees with what some other Member wrote, and decides to Rate against that Reply, thus causing a loss of a single GA Point in the process, for that Post only.

CR4 Admin are easily able to establish if a Member votes consistently against another, or a group of other Members, and such actions may earn a private message from CR4 Admin, or worse.

For further information please read Case491's sad resignation Topic here: http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/21931/I-am-leaving

The above are my observations, Admin may also have other criteria.

Trust that assists you.

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08/31/2008 7:33 AM

Very good & comprehensive answer, Sparky. The only thing I could add, is maybe peoples aggregate of 'yes' and 'No' to their GA's could be displayed on their user page. That way, if a Green thumb disappears people can see if it was given then taken by (malicious or otherwise) negative votes.

Hey, Ferris - Hope you don't ever delete yourself like Case. I much enjoy your posts and valued input. To paraphrase A Few Good Men, "It doesn't take a green thumb to be a good CR4'er".

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08/31/2008 11:37 PM

No chance that I am going to say ba bye, I think I said that earlier... I understand what it is that Sparky said and everything that goes along with the GA thing. I DO NOT live and/or breath for GA's, I enjoyed receiving them though. I know for sure that one of them was on a dead forum that was about something here in the US and a couple of guys liked my bravado and voted me a couple of thumbs up and... Now it is gone.

Like I mentioned in my thread I had a run in with a member logged in as guest that was attacking another memeber and I took it on myself to kinda run interference. That is why I mentioned something to the effect of a vendetta, not being paranoid here...

Thanks again Kris for everything that you have helped me with whether it is with Ferris jr, looking stuff up, or making me laugh 'til I almost pee myself.

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09/01/2008 12:30 AM

Hello again, Ferris

from me

Let's hope you get a few more, and can keep them

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09/01/2008 1:50 AM

Your in too deep to go anywhere Ferris ! The black-hole of CR4 has you in it's clutches. Resistance is futile.

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09/01/2008 2:31 PM

C........an ' t quuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i

t eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ggge t th e keyboard (whooo gravity fixed itself there ) to work properly here. Black hole, CR4 the event horizon is WWWWAAAAAYYYY over there..... and it is full of squirrels, cats and kiwi's ()

Hahahahaa. 3 day weekend here in the states (labor day)

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09/01/2008 2:47 PM

LOL ! Enjoy the long weekend.

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08/31/2008 2:21 PM

We all know that Sparky.

but what the questioner is asking is why some 'peers' (I use the term loosely) after having a slight disagreement then go and rate the other posters as off topic so that they loose their GA status.

Some posters get a good answer for just posting a joke or something, such is their popularity, others give an excellent answer and get nothing.

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08/31/2008 6:42 PM

Hello "Guest".

You are asking me a question for which I cannot know the answer, because I am unable to read the minds of others, to know why that/those other Member/s made their subjective decision/s.

Now you may not appreciate the answer I have just given, but it is the only answer to your question which can be given.

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09/01/2008 1:45 AM

Re your last paragraph - Blink also mentioned this in #3. It's probably in part down to how many people are reading a particular thread. Some subjects don't have popular appeal.

I've not seen anything (as far as I can recall) that I'd thought was malicious negative voting. I reserve negative votes for posts that are devoid of humour and relevance, and even then usually just those where the poster has not marked them "off-topic" to start with. ie to let people have their say, but leave it in collapsed display.

At the end of the day it's no biggie, and no more a guide to credibility/value than member titles.

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08/31/2008 11:49 AM

It's probably reasonable that good answer counts can be removed my other members. I have seen "GAs" in areas in which I have subject matter expertise that were not good answers -- they were either misleading or just plain wrong. In that case, they should probably be voted down, I suppose. I think I have voted down a "GA" when it suggested a clearly unsafe practice, for instance. I've voted down a couple GA's when they were posted by one "wacko", and affirmed by two more. For example, we have had a couple "HHO love fests" in which several HHO proponents get together and post ludicrous replies ("I've been getting 76 mpg in my SUV ever since installing my HAFC") and then vote themselves good answers. When I've written critically about such things, my own good answer tally will sometimes drop.

It all evens out in the end, however, and even if your answers are not voted GA's, I am sure that many of them are in fact good answers -- it's extremely subjective. For instance, I have rarely seen an answer by Fyz (Physicist?) that I would not consider a good answer, but his tally is low. Go figure.

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09/02/2008 7:19 PM

I actually lost a couple GAs and then over time got them back again as people read the posts and voted them GAs again... Weird...

I gave one to Ferris, and if I could I would let you have a few of mine...

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09/02/2008 11:51 PM

Thanks Steve, I am hoping that you all do not think that I am looking for hand outs, 'cause I am not. I understand what was going on in the 'I am leaving' thread...kinda like a personal attack on an individual basis (not that I am feeling like this is a problem for me ...) where a poster seems to go after another poster for some REALLY LAME ASS reason. Doing something like deleteing positive responses inorder to be a pain in the back side.

I thought we were all adults here, not school kids... Looking to extract a 'revenge of sorts' if you want to call it that...

Well, I know that a great MAJORITY of us are (eventhough we might not be comfortable with that title ) adults...

Thanks again guys

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