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Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/05/2008 7:15 PM

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12900 years ago, the current interglacial period was abruptly interrupted and the planet returned to the glacial temperatures for about 1000 years. This abrupt cooling period is called the "Younger Dryas" (named after a flower that is only found in tundra that is suddenly found in in Europe.)

At the start of the Younger Dryas period (12,900 BP) there is in numerous locations in the Northern Hemisphere evidence in the geological record of burnt vegetation with a a set peculiar features. The authors of the paper I have copied below attributed the burnt vegetation to a comet or an astroid which burst in the atmosphere.

The data however seems to support the assertion that there was a very large movement of electrical charge movement from the ionosphere to the planet's surface. I would assume that the cause of a large charge movement from the ionosphere to the earth's surface is due to some unusual solar activity.

For example, see the appendix of the "Younger Dryas" paper, the paper notes (and includes aerial pictures) the finding in the geological record of a ½ million black residues, highly elliptically, 50m to 10 km in length, with axises that point in the North west direction, that are located in the region of eastern US, from New Jersey to Alabama, there is flash residue outside of the Canadian cities of Calgary and Edmonton, there is flash residue in the Great Lakes region in Michigan, in Arizona, there is flash residue in Great Britain, Netherlands, Germany, France, Demark, and Poland. The flashing evidence 12,900 years ago appears to be throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

I do not see how extra-terrestrial objects that burst in the atmosphere could possible explain these observations. An extra-terrestrial burst could only effect one region of North America. An extra-terrestrial burst could not possibly have left flash residue at 1/2 million sites from New Jersey to North Carolina. An extra-terrestrial burst could not have affected both North America and Europe. It seems that the evidence of overlapping residue indicates that was time delay between flashing events.

What are your thoughts as to extra-terrestrial impact hypothesis compared to the charge movement from the ionosphere to the earth?

P.S.

The other thing I find odd is there is evidence that this is a periodic occurrence.

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/41/16016/suppl/DC1#F7

The following are quotes from the paper:

"Chobot. Chobot is Southwest of Edmonton, AB, Canada. In Clovis times, it was located along the shore of a proglacial lake, where a supply of quality flint attracted hunter-gatherers. The presence of Clovis artifacts (5) dates this level to an interval of approx. 200 yr ending at 12,925 cal B.P. (6). The Clovis level is capped by the YDB layer, above which there is a black mat similar to other sites. The YDB sediment samples are mostly fine-grained and colluvial."

"Fig. 8. Lommel (1) is in northern Belgium, near the border with the Netherlands. At 12.94 ka (2), this site was a large late Glacial sand ridge covered by open forest at the northern edge of a marsh. ….Then, just before the Younger Dryas began, a thin layer of bleached sand was deposited and, in turn, was covered by the dark layer marked "YDB" above. That stratum is called the Usselo Horizon and is composed of fine to medium quartz sands rich in charcoal. The dark Usselo Horizon is stratigraphically equivalent to the YDB layer and contains a similar assemblage of impact markers (magnetic grains, magnetic microspherules, iridium, charcoal, and glass-like carbon). The magnetic grains have a high concentration of Ir (117 ppb), which is the highest value measured for all sites yet analyzed. On the other hand, YDB bulk sediment analyses reveal Ir values below the detection limit of 0.5 ppb, suggesting that the Ir carrier is in the magnetic grain fraction. The abundant charcoal in this black layer suggests widespread biomass burning. A similar layer of charcoal, found at many other sites in Europe, including the Netherlands (3), Great Britain, France, Germany, Denmark, and Poland (4), also dates to the onset of the Younger Dryas (12.9 ka) and, hence, correlates with the YDB layer in North America."

"Carolina Bays. The Carolina Bays are a group of approx. 500,000 highly elliptical and often overlapping depressions scattered throughout the Atlantic Coastal Plain from New Jersey to Alabama (see SI Fig. 7). They range from approx. 50 m to approx. 10 km in length (10) and are up to approx. 15 m deep with their parallel long axes oriented predominately to the northwest. ….YDB markers (magnetic grains, magnetic microspherules, Ir, charcoal, soot, glass-like carbon, nanodiamonds, carbon spherules, and fullerenes with 3He).

Fig. 7. Aerial photo (U.S. Geological Survey) of a cluster of elliptical and often overlapping Carolina Bays with raised rims in Bladen County, North Carolina. The Bays have been contrast-enhanced and selectively darkened for greater clarity. The largest Bays are several kilometers in length, and the overlapping cluster of them in the center is ≈8 km long. Previous researchers have proposed that the Bays are impact-related features.

This is the paper that discusses the impact theory and presents some of the geological data.

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/41/16016.full.pdf+html

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/06/2008 12:15 PM

Hi William,

this is great new information.

But: this is clearly meteoritic influence. This is not only Super Solar Flare (SSF)!

SSF will not provide magnetic particles that are iridium enriched, ...

There are also massive signs of a SSF: the change in isotopic composition, this cannot be attached to a meteorite.

So after reading your links I have only one conclusion: two events, by mere probability within a short interval. Short = ? 1 to 200 years?

There is no difficulty of showering half Earth with meteorites, we have ample evidence that meteoritic objects of any type are fragmenting by tidal forces long before impact. (The 13 million years old 2 craters in southern Germany are an old example, the impact of Shoemaker-Levy on Jupiter is a newer one and any meteoritic shower we observe is the same mechanism.)

Meteoritic showers come periodically as often as Earth is crossing the orbit of such a swarm.

Until now I thought that the "Heinrich events", massive water flooding to the north Atlantic after breakdown of the ice-barrier that blocked the St.Lawrence river at the end of any of the ice ages is triggering the fall-back to colder times. We see the pebbles from these floodings in the drilling cores taken between Canada and Greenland - so these are real at the end of the last 7 ice-ages (may be more).

This seems to be "coincident" with this meteoritic impacts for the Dryas. So it would be most exciting if really a periodicity can be detected.

Do you have any evidence of the period?

Do you have any evidence of SSF distribution/time ?

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/07/2008 5:50 PM

The explanation that a meltwater pulse interrupted the North Atlantic drift curent which in turn caused the Younger Dryas cooling (12,900 years ago) fails for two reasons. First the meltwater pulse occurred almost a 1000 years before the Younger Dryas cooling so there is not correlation. (see this paper attached.)

The second reason that a melt water pulse could not have caused the YD is that basic analysis indicatest that an interruption of the North Atlantic Drift current will only cool Europe by roughly 2C. (I will provide a copy of a paper.)

I do not see how 1/2 million burn marks (50m to 10km, highly elliptical, with axis from the north-west) from New Jersey to Alabama could have been created by a comet or astroid impact, as well as multiple burn marks across North America and Europe all of which are dated at 12900 years BP.

I would assume the irridium was brought to the ionosphere by the coronal mass ejection and then down to the earth's surface by the charge movement.

The abrupt drop in C14 would be explain as the geomagnetic field initially drops as the mantel is slightly conductive so that a back EMF is generated to resist the change. I will provide a paper that shows the geomagnetic field following a 100,000 year cycle.

"Reduced solar activity as a trigger for the start of the Younger Dryas?"

http://www.geo.vu.nl/~renh/pdf/Renssen-etal-QI-2000.pdf

From the paper:

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"Estimates for the start of the YD all demonstrate a strong and rapid rise of C14 (Cosmogenic isotope that increases when there is decreased solar activity that hence allows increased galactic cosmic rays GCR to strike and interact with the atmosphere.) This change is the largest increase of atmospheric C14 known from the late glacial period and Holocene records."

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"Although acceptance of the shallower THC hypothesis may explain part of the geological evidence for the YD, the important question what the trigger for the THC weakening exactly was, remains to be answered. The timing of the meltwater pulses, being the proposed source of perturbation, causes a problem. The main late glacial meltwater pulse found by Fairbanks (1989) is dated at 14 ka cal BP, thus at least 1000 years before the start of the YD (Bard et al., 1996). Maybe, regional meltwater pulses, occurring near locations of NADW formation, could have perturbed the THC. However, ocean records near the mouth of the St Lawrence river suggest the opposite, giving evidence of a

reduced meltwater out flow from the Laurentide ice sheet near the start of the YD (de Vernal et al., 1996). Also, the initial drainage of the Baltic ice lake (i.e. near the location of LNADW formation) occurred a few hundred years after the start of the YD (BodeHn et al., 1997)."

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/08/2008 4:36 PM

Hi,

"an interruption of the North Atlantic Drift current will only cool Europe by roughly 2C."

If this is related to vast areas covered with snow over many months, then lower input of solar energy will amplify the cooling. Is this included in the 2°C estimate?

If the timing data indicate no relation of melt-water pulse and YD this is good news - the debate on sweetening of North Atlantic water by melting ice caps will give the same result. (The next ice-age will not be triggered by this melting.)

" I do not see how 1/2 million burn marks (50m to 10km, highly elliptical, with axis from the north-west) from New Jersey to Alabama could have been created by a comet or asteroid impact, as well as multiple burn marks across North America and Europe all of which are dated at 12900 years BP."

If you look to the data of the links you did provide there is little to no doubt that this was a shower of small meteorites.

There is no significant Ir in the Ionosphere of the sun but in many meteorites. There are also the carbon structures with partial diamond-like chemical bonds. There are the ferrous melt particles from very tiny meteorites that ignite and melt at passing through our atmosphere, there are the impact craters all oriented in the same direction.

So why do you have difficulties?

So I am convinced that you will find the shockwave material in the ejected material. (If you are the first you will get the merit!)

May be also relics of the primary impactors as these have been small, so not evaporated completely.

"The abrupt drop in C14 would be explain as the geomagnetic field initially drops as the mantel is slightly conductive so that a back EMF is generated to resist the change. I will provide a paper that shows the geomagnetic field following a 100,000 year cycle."

This cannot generate the Giga-Volt necessary to directly repel the protons from the sun. The current is not amplified by the back EMF but only flowing for some additional time although the driving voltage is (maybe) shut off.

Why a drop in C14? Renssen states (p.376) an increase (linked to YD) which is explained by Renssen as lowered CO2 exchange from atmosphere to the oceans.

RHABE

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/07/2008 6:16 PM

Hello, this is the paper that shows the North Altantic drift current cannot possible explain the cyclic cooling periods, including the Younger Dryas sudden cooling.

Wally Broeker suggested that an interruption to the thermal haline conveyor could be a possible explanation for the cyclic cooling, however, there was never any formal analysis to support that assertion. A recent paper by Kaplan et al. provides data that shows the entire planet cools, which rules out both a THC forcing and orbital insolation changes. The North Altlantic drift current only affects parts of North America so it could not be the cause of the cooling, nor could changes to solar insolation due to the orbital changes, as they insolation changes due to the orbital changes are 180 degrees out of phase, comparing Northern Hemisphere to Southern Hemisphere.

Is the Gulf Stream responsible for Europe's mild winters? By Seager et al.

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/pubs/Seager_etal_QJ_2002.pdf

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"Is the transport of heat northward by the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and its subsequent release into the midlatitude westerlies, the reason why Europe's winters are so much milder than those of eastern North America and other places at the same latitude? Here, it is shown that the principal cause of this temperature difference is advection by the mean winds. South-westerlies bring warm maritime air into Europe and northwesterlies bring frigid continental air into north-eastern North America. Further, analysis of the ocean surface heat budget shows that the majority of the heat released during winter from the ocean to the atmosphere is accounted for by the seasonal release of heat previously absorbed and not by ocean heat-flux convergence. Therefore, the existence of the winter temperature contrast between western Europe and eastern North America does not require a dynamical ocean. Two experiments with an atmospheric general-circulation model coupled to an ocean mixed layer confirm this conclusion. …"
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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/07/2008 6:22 PM

There is evidence that the geomagnetic field is externally forced. The next few links in this comment are to papers that discuss the research which first showed the geomagnetic field becomes unstable and weak for long periods of time when the Northern Hemisphere is covered with an ice sheet.

It is hypothesized that the external forcing function is a periodic large charge release from the sun, with a periodicity of around 13,000 years. This large charge release creates electric currents in the ocean which immediately suppresses the core portion of the geomagnetic field. Overtime after the initial charge release, magnetic field generated by in ocean constructively or de-constructively affects the geomagnetic field.
When the Northern Hemisphere is covered with ice the ice insulates the ocean and there are no electric currents generated when the charge strikes.

I have a whole set of papers to support this hypothesis.

The previous comment is to a link that shows evidence of over 1/2 million flash burn marks in different locations in the Northern hemisphere all of which are dated to around 12,900 kyr which was when there was an abrupt drop in planetary temperature and a very large long increase in C14.

This paper discusses the finding of that the geomagnetic field is cyclically unstable.

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/archi.../gubbinsd4.pdf

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../374687a0.html

Can the Earth's Dynamo Run on Heat Alone? (This paper discusses theoretical problems with creating sufficient differential heat loss to drive the convection currents in the earth's core. The problem is not only that the core must be hot, it must be losing sufficient heat to the surface to create a differential. This problem goes away if there is an external source that periodically energizes the geomagnetic field.)

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/archi...gubbinsd10.pdf

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../295/5564/2435

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/08/2008 5:50 PM

Hi William,

magnetic field instability is well known as it reverses polarity in a cycling behaviour with typically 80 +-50 Kyears. This is established by magnetic data from seafloor dating back 200million years.

Any instability may include near zero states (more often than zero crossings).

"electric currents in the oceans which immediately suppresses the core portion of the geomagnetic field"

This is difficult to understand.

The Flux density of the magnetic field of Earth is now near 0.0001 Tesla, in a North-South dipole structure.

We would need a big electric current around Earth (either along the equator or parallel to it at latitudes up to +-60°) to switch to zero or reverse polarity of the magnetic field.

A rough estimate of flux from Earth diameter of 12oooKm or 108Km² or 1014m² area, so a flux of 1010Vs. Flux-density= 1,2x10-6Vs/Am x field-strength (H) <if in nonmagnetic material>.

So H is roughly 104 A/m, the length of a field line (L) is roughly near to the circumference of Earth or 40.000Km, so the magnetic potential H x L is 40 x 1010A.

So we would need a circular current around equator of roughly 400 Giga-Amperes - totally unrealistic.

I know, this is a very very rough estimate. But the result: unrealistic assumption of charge derived currents to trigger magnetic field zeros of Earth.

The inherent instability (that is simulated in one of the articles you gave a link to) may be one significant factor. Unless we know more we will not really know much about our magnetic dynamo.

RHABE

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/07/2008 11:02 PM

Very interesting reading, most of my reading on the YD has been the papers of Carl Wunsch of MIT. Do you think it possible that burn marks could be caused by natural weather behavior, large electrical storms and prevailing winds driving fires North West?

Regards JD.

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Re: Evidence of a Super Solar Flare?

09/08/2008 9:42 AM

Obviously no one here has studied the Atlantean Civil War that well!!!!!!!! ;)

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