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eccentric reducers

10/05/2008 6:17 AM

what is the proper orientation of an eccentric reducer on a condensate line? I know it is flat on the bottom for steam but there are differences in oppinion on the condensate.

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/05/2008 11:29 AM

Where?

You did not give us enough information to provide a specific answer.


Basicly, condensate is just a hot liquid (water) and you can orient an eccentric reducer the same way you would for any other liquid for that specific location.

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/05/2008 9:07 PM

PennPiper gave a much more sophisticated answer here:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/26422/eccentric-reducer

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/06/2008 1:44 AM

In any piping system, we prefer to make the orientation of line which consists of different sizes with its bottom flat for easy supporting, where all supports (pipe racks, sleepers, etc.) are characterized by its same level.

Also bottom flat supporting is necessary in steam/gas lines where there is a chance for formulation of a condensates, and you are requested to evacuate these condensates by facilitating passing through the line and discharging outside. Sometimes we make a slope for certain pipeline towards a vessel/leg to facilitate accumulation of the condensates, and this slope will be effective when the bottom of line is flat and sloped.

The only cases where we recommend top flat is in piping system of suction side of a pump where the pipe comes straight or from below. When that suction side comes from top, we recommend the bottom flat. And all these precautions are necessary to avoid accumulation of pockets of air/vapours/gasses accompanied with the liquid in suction of pump which creates irregular and turbulent flow in suction of pump.

Please refer to CR4 Thread eccentric reducer.

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/06/2008 4:15 AM

Thanks for your reply!!! How about on a heating system i was taught that you put the eccentric reducer flat on top so you do not trap air in the system. How do you feel about that?

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/06/2008 10:01 AM

When considering condensate return lines, you need to know if it is:

- Single phase flow (a pumped condensate return line)

- Two phase flow (steam traps discharging from a higher pressure system into a lower pressure system.

If it is single phase flow, then treat it like you would any pumped water line.

If it is two phase flow the piping must be done so that it is NOT conducive to condensate induced water hammer.

Condensate induced water hammer is the #1 reason for catastrophic pipe failure in a steam and condensate system, followed closely by water hammer in the steam system caused by a water slug.

The following links discuss condensate induced water hammer in further detail (see Fig 10.3.7 for visual clarification:

http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-distribution/steam-mains-and-drainage.asp

http://www.hss.energy.gov/csa/analysis/oesummary/oesummary2006/2006-11-01.pdf

For steam distribution systems - you should ALLWAYS use eccentric reducers, with the bell part on the top of the pipe. This is done to prevent a water level developing in the bottom of the pipe (which contributes to water hammer).

The following link shows best piping practices for reducers:

http://www.flowcontrolnetwork.com/issuearticle.asp?ArticleID=144

I hope the above aid you in designing & installing a safe & efficient steam & condensate return system.

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Re: eccentric reducers

10/11/2008 6:26 AM

Dweezle thanks for your answer Still need to know on a two phase flow should the eccentric reducer be flat on top or bottom?

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