Water Filtration

Hi

Seems strange given you are harvesting rainwater.

Anyway the best method to deal with this is to instal a Vivifier.

This is a natural unit which is installed after the pump (if you are using one) and will fix your problem. Vivifiers work using Quantum Physics. In Australia we use them to descale and desalinate.

You can email me: otter@slats.net and I'll send you some more info.

well, the rain water starts out OK and then gets dirty in some way. It could be something like a bacterial growth or spores from the air in the rain, or is can be something from any underfired clay tiles on the roof(which will shed collodial clay)

Normally in our country we are using alum and lime dosing its suitable for above 300 ntu turbitity .In my opinion in that particular issue you can use polyelectrolite doing .normally potable water application we are using this type of method only.

THANKS

binoi.s

how about sand, like pool filters?

vivifiers are a fraud pseudo science created to make $$ for door to door salesmen who sell it to fools.

here it is among other water frauds.

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/gallery.html

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Hmm, As a civil engineer dealing with water treatment, i am interested in any new technology that is developed. With a substantial background in quantum mechanics, advanced physics, and degrees in chemistry and civil engineering, i have some capacity to understand such technical explanations. I would be interested in an actual explanation on this vivifier and how it effects water at a quantum mechanical level. I read the website for this product, and from that it sounds like a pyramids scheme set up by marketers or something. a little psuedo technical jargon intermixed nonsense. Don't get me wrong, it may work, but not the way the website markets it. So some details on the technology would be helpful.

Dear All,

I am sorry to say our learned friend who wrote that particular website has absolutely no experience with Vivifiers. He also debunks one or two other proven water treatment methods, one of which I know Zuellig Pharma uses in their drug production plants.

Note please, I am not calling him a complete idiot or other derogatory terms.

The web, as we all recognize is a wonderful thing. Sometimes. It is conditional, not unconditional. Like you just cannot take it all for granted. For example, you just cannot take what I may write here as Gospel. Well it is I may be wrong, however in search of answers and dialogue I choose here to at least have a dialogue and discuss these matters rather than punch my ideas down your throat, with or, in our friend's case, without even examining the unit.

Do we, as learned people still do this?

We are here in the forum because of what?

As Scientists, Engineers or Laymen we often do not understand how something works however we often see the effects.

It is my understanding that we call this "Quantum Physics". I could be wrong. I could be half right. I could be on the mark. I don't know. What matters is these things, call them phenomenon if you will, I can share and experience with you and I hope, as a body, we can try and figure it out or better still, forget that and concentrate on how we should implement this phenomenon into the communities.

Let's get on with it..

Sometimes and unfortunately, forgetting the Knowledge, Control and Responsibility we inherently have as Homo Sapiens leads us to digress such as our friend has.

The world, for example, is not flat. You won't sail off the edge. Our mate Columbus proved that.

I have seen the effects of Vivifiers in boilers, cooling towers and many, many other applications.

Move forward...

In Bali, I have high calcium (white scaling) and sulphur (smell) content in my groundwater. Not only did both disappear immediately when I installed a Vivifier, the faucets and shower heads came clean of calcium deposit. The green slime in the clear garden hose vanished. The toilet bowl cleaned itself.

My maid wanted to know why she didn't have to use as much detergent. She used the usual amount and it all foamed over. She said there was a problem with the batch from the factory so she brought another brand. Same issue. Then she brought another brand. She started using 1/3 less after a week. I think we are using about 1/2 now. I just told her in Balinese to 'sing ken ken' which is basically 'get over it'. She's fine now. 'Mr Mark has worked out how to use less detergent.'

'No, Ibu, we have a new "machine" which 'filters' the water'. She wants one for the family now. Her husband thought she should see a doctor. I sent her home with a Vivifier to install on her house water supply. The husband was okay within 24 hours. Western logic is 1 thing, Balinese logic is get-out-of-here-oh-my-Shiva.

Then, I slowly noticed the plants in my garden flourishing with some which had never flowered, blooming. I asked the maid if the garden had been fertilized or something. Nope. Nothing.

Even the staff are wondering what's going on. (I have to be careful about these things in Bali as, for example, a really good 'spirit' might have decided to settle down and 'set up shop', so to speak, in my garden.)

Intrigued, I set up two tanks so I could pass Benzene/Petrol through the Vivifier. I have been researching various methods to produce local Biofuel as we seem to have an excess of ethanol/methanol and coconut oil in Bali just now, so have all the mileage and consumption figures for our fleet of motorbikes and cars. I witnessed an average 20% reduction in consumption over 1 month period. The exhaust pipes became clean of carbon and actually started to shine (on the inside).

I have done blind studies on friends with wine, spirits and zingy, tasty foods like cheeses, nuts and fruits. 100% of the time the liquid or food tasted better after 15 to 30 minutes nearby a Vivifier. Go figure, I can't. Nearby, hmmmm very spooky. I even tested it on a Michelin Chief (5 Star). Same result. I put one in the fridge. All the vegetables lasted 5 days not 3. The meat tasted fresher.

Change subject...

In Australia we suffer from high salination in both lakes and in the artesian basin. Near Yin Yenning Lakes in Western Australia the farmers pass 140ppm saline water through a Vivifier and grow wheat. Beforehand it was arid.

A rose nursery near Cooma, New South Wales was on the brink of bankruptcy due to high salinity from the bore basically killing the roses it supplied. Then they installed a Vivifier and now, not only are they back in production, their roses smell sweeter, last longer once cut and have exceptional vibrant colours.

In Albany WA, a pig farmer with 1800ppm saline in solution passes his stock water through a Vivifier and has perfectly healthy pigs. At 800ppm our and pig's skin scours, dries out and dies. We die shortly thereafter.

Sea water is 900ppm. Did I hear you say "does that mean we can use seawater on crops". I would, as usual, cautiously say, "yes", and in 2 weeks when I get back to Bali, that is exactly what I will test in the North at Singaraja where 77 rivers have dried up and the crops are under threat of being wiped out.

Change subject (again) ...

Have a look at what Nicola Tesla wrote in his theorems regarding Scalar Energy for a possible insight into the QP explanation of what we are dealing with here and, more importantly, where as the men and women we are, direct our thoughts and seek the outcomes.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_paradigm_shift.htm

http://www.rense.com/general39/scalarenergy.htm

Change subject (again) ...

Heath effects. I cannot say it more succinctly than this doctor has, regarding Uncle Khong. Uncle Khong was basically been left for dead after they removed a huge brain tumor. Read on, it's fascinating:

http://www.superqigong.com/articlesmore.asp?id=45

In Summary:

We are all human after all and, with all the snake-oil salesmen stuffing no-hope-products down our necks on a daily basis, we can be critical of absolutely everything somedays as our friend is. I can think of at least one leader of a country like this. There well be more.

However, as Fellows of this forum, it is paramount we stay focused on what was, what is and what may be. Else, we'd be fooling ourselves and our wider community who rely on us for unbiased dialogue and on nearly every occasion: solutions.

Therefore, let's be solution driven even when we may not, as is the case here, we lack the nuts and bolts working principles. Let us acknowledge we do not always know how or why something happens. That's something for us to figure out in due course whilst we share the benefits of our findings or those/these wonderful products in our hands into the wider communities.

I personally will attest that Vivifiers work. No doubt. How? No idea.

I will wager that if my tests in Singaraga yield crop growth from sea water passed through a Vivifier, the cures for things like Mr/Dr Rumsfield's "bird flu" and cancer etc will be with us very, very shortly. AIDS even. It's just my hunch which is impossible to have a dialogue about here just now as it's currently 'in reflection/postulation" inside my head. Perhaps you know how I feel. Like somedays it's better we turn the phone off, excommunicate, go find a place without people and contemplate what's on our minds.

If, what I sense is going on here is true, then my Fellows, I think we might just be sitting on the "next best thing".

Feel free to discuss this with me at otter@slats.net.

Better if we use our heads not our hands?

Brighter days ahead? I sincerely hope so.

Marki.

+628123999264 most days but now +66860540550 or +6597161214

Repeat, the vivifier is indeed a fraud. It is purchased by non technical people who are sold on the concept by so called unbiased experts with independant reports. Once installed they are in the unenviable position of having to defend their purchase, which they do. I notice he fails to identify the supposed genuine methods buried in the sea of frauds along with the vivifier.

One might suspect he makes money from vivifier sales....

I support Tamu with what he said.

I do experience the personal version of Vivifier. Its known as Biodisc. And they have different models for different needs.

naveenkkr@gmail.com

Anodic oxydation is hard to beat if you want to spend some money. Look it up on the net. I'm sure you have these systems in India. No hate mail thanks. Ky.

Hi KY,

I couldn't see much regarding how that works with water treatment. Have you got some links you could share with us?

Thanks

Mark

Hi Mark

It took me some years to find out how it works and another 10 years to develope a mashine that worked. The companies that run with the technology now will not tell you how it works because the IP involved. I did not protect my IP properly and lost every thing. Thats the fun part.

The system is based on oxidation through electrolises. The research paper was titled

"Anodische Oxidation in der Wasser- und Lufthygiene" Author Prof Reis. (1975) G-I-T VERLAG ERNST GIEBLER, Darmstadt.

As you have noticed it is in german but there could be a translation if you wish to find out. In my oppinion it is the safest way to purify water. Using no introduced chemicals. If you are interested in looking for the research paper consider that it will require some knowledge of organic electro chemistry. I have the hard copy at home but due to its size I can not copy or scan it with out risking sparks coming out of my small printer.

Trust your heart then your self and never trust others. Hope you had a good weekend. Ky.

A list of suckers who bought vivifiers proves nothing but the existence of suckers.

Anecdotes abound in the fake world. The buyers are afraid to admit they were screwed and paid AU$7500 for nothing at all.

independent test reports are lacking.

voodoo sucker traps

Dear CR4,

Please guide me on the ideal set up for water filtration using sand, anthracite, gravel and activated carbon.

THANKS

Cynthia