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Bolts and Nuts-The Worst Applications Ever.

10/30/2008 12:58 AM

I am interested in your worst applications for bolts, and any solutions you have found.

My top two applications are:

(1) "Bolts that hold end bits on the blade of large bulldozers".

I have seen these stretch and break in all kinds conditions. One technique has been to heat the bolts and nuts, and then torque the nut on. After rapid cooling, the "heat seized" bolts and nuts seem to work better. The bolts usually took the worst beating on the side the operator seemed to favor.

(2) "Bolts that hold Jaws on a Jaw crusher frame"

Lots of stress and breakage, especially when jaw die fit surfaces are not well maintained. One solution I have seen is to make sure the Jaw dies have the proper seating surfaces.

It would be great to hear your worst applications and solutions.

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Re: Bolts and Nuts-The Worst Applications Ever.

10/31/2008 8:13 AM

Bolts used for any attachment that is inaccessible from either (or both) end - can't reach the #*%$&@) ferschlugginer nut!!!

Plus bolts that are (mis)used for replacing any other piece of hardware or equipment.

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10/31/2008 8:50 AM

Stainless steel bolts and nuts in pretty much any application. If I get near one it WILL always Gal no matter what I do. This does not include screws though, I have seen very good applications for s/s wood/metal screws. Also s/s bolts work well with carbon steel nuts and vise versa but s/s bolts and s/s nuts hate me. Also any skid wear plates are not the place for bolts/nuts as they will nearly always wear down so a wrench won't fit the darn things. My general solution for most wear plates is to weld the heck out of them as my name might imply. Any of the lower grade wood screws from Lowes or Home Depot are guaranteed to wallow out the first time the screwdriver slips. looks like someone would figure this out and make the heads a little harder for heavens sake.

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10/31/2008 8:51 AM

Most of the nuts and bolts on my old dirt bikes...

They only vibrate and rattle out anyways, I just replace them with bailing wire, zip ties and duct tape (depending on the strength required).

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10/31/2008 9:11 PM

Must be a KAWI..worlds largest vibratory jogger disguised as a dirt bike.

Re-tapping to standard thread, using allen head bolts and red loc-tite will keep them in place a little longer.

A nut welded to the center motor support, with a bolt theaded into it,wedging the thru-bolt also helps.

Good luck with the dirt bikes!

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11/04/2008 7:50 AM

Actually they are old Mid 80's Hondas. A CR 250 and an XLR 250. I have already drilled out and put inserts in many places.

It was just my stab at being funny:)

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10/31/2008 9:08 AM

My complaint is about the T-studs on the Clausing Colchester 15" lathe compound rest. We purchased 7 of these lathes in 2002. The factory bolts and nuts were too soft and would strip out easily. This was with the factory supplied wrench about 6 inches long. Unable to unscrew them I had to use a die grinder with a cut off wheel. Lots of wasted time. While the machines were under warranty we would return the old ones and they would send use replacements. After the warranty was over I found out that they were around $70.00. I do not remeber if that was for the set of 4 or just one. It has been to long ago. I started making my own out of O-1 drill rod. I changed the head design and the thread type. I went with the closest size English thread in a fine pitch. I also changed to harder washers and nuts to match the heat treated studs. I went from a daily routine of cutting off nuts to replacing a few each year. It took some trial and error to tweak the heat treating process for the application. Most of the time I only have to replace the nut. The threads from the nut are "unscrewed" from the stud and the stud is reused. I ended up with a double draw process that has worked out well. When it was all said and done the sales rep wanted to take one back so their engineers could look at it. I politely said no. Yes that was closed minded of me but why should I be doing their R&D work for free?

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10/31/2008 11:19 AM

So don't do it for free - ask how exorbitant a fee he is willing to pay you for one!

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10/31/2008 11:54 AM

Another missed opportunity.

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10/31/2008 12:27 PM

You need a better piracy business plan...

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10/31/2008 1:53 PM

Years ago we had a company sell our utility operations manager several clone coal burners for one of our power boilers, The salesman swore that thier burner was praticaly identical to the well known brand OEM burner but way cheaper in cost. I was looking over the contractor that tried to install the burner and if hadn't caused so much lost labor hours and money it would have been very funny indeed. It seems that the knock off burner couldn't be made exactly the same as the OEM burner in order to keep them from facing a possible aw suit. As we got further into the very complicated installation process we found one of the things they changed was a bolt circle with 52, 1/2" bolts on a part inside the burner. The way they made it different was to tap all of these 52 holes instead of have a nut on the back side. The only problem was that the piece with the tapped holes went on first and was welded in place to the boiler side wall as it was designed to on both brand of burners. Well I called the engineer of the clone burner and asked him why the heck they tapped these holes he just answered "so you all would not have to go through the headache of starting a nut on every bolt. I then told him I didn't think it would be any easier to turn the boiler to tighten 52 nuts being that the boiler was 9 stories high and weighed several hundred thousand tons even when empty. Now at this point I though he would see my logic and agree to send a guy out to ream the holes out. Instead he proceeded to let me know that we had installed the first piece incorrectly and it could be easily fixed by some of his people that understood the installation directions. At this point I agreed to pay his field guy (if it truly turned out to be our fault)to come and show us how to fix our problem. Well the guy came out and then his boss and they spent 2 days trying to come up with a fix that eliminated the problem without doing what we all realized was the only fix possible. Needless to say in the end we had to ream the holes and use the nuts to get the boiler back on line and the funny thing was that the guy actually tried to bill me for the 2 field guy's labor and expenses. I in turn sent them back a bill for one crew of 8 people 2, 12 hour days for standing around while these guys played with the whole mess. The company finally agreed to tear up the invoice after they saw that they would have came out on the short end of the deal. Even though the company never admitted that they were wrong the next clone burner we got in of the set did not have tapped holes. Of all the problems that can come up on an outage or any construction project, hard-headiness and know it all people who only talk and never listen are nearly always the worst IMO.

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10/31/2008 2:49 PM

GA from me.

I have lived similar situations many times over. It has just been on a smaller scale. The B/S and politics to get things done can be flat out stupid.

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11/08/2008 11:34 PM

Try using a case hardened bolt with jamb nut. Works well on rotating equipment with electric brakes.

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