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Centripetal Force or Centrifugal Force?

11/05/2008 4:11 PM

When you round a corner in your car, is your body pushing against the door or is the door pushing against your body?

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Re: Centripetal or centrifugal force?

11/05/2008 4:13 PM

Yes

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11/05/2008 4:25 PM

Haha .................... good answer.

(On a more serious note - please refer to Newton's Third Law "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.")

So, the correct answer is "Yes" , both

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11/05/2008 5:11 PM

Also - here are a couple good sites for general info into centripetal/centrifugal and coriolis

http://regentsprep.org/Regents/physics/phys06/bcentrif/centrif.htm

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/corf.html

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Re: Centripetal or centrifugal force?

11/05/2008 11:05 PM

1. If car is turning left, and you are sitting on right side of the car then this phenomenon will happen. If you are sitting on left side, no body ... you or door push each other. (And Visa Versa)

2. You push the door, when sitting on right while turning left. Door doen't push you. (See the demo, by keeping the door open.... you will be thrown out in an effort of pushing against door, door doesn't support you by pushing you back).

... .....just kidding.... please do not reply scientifically.

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11/06/2008 12:00 AM

It just occured to me if you take a high speed turn and flip over you will hit the door and the left door and the righ door and the floor, or you are still and de car is hitting you due to freefall.

Always wear a seatbelt

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Re: Centripetal Force or Centrifugal Force?

11/05/2008 5:34 PM

The door pushes you.

True story...
When I was a kid I saw a car go past (in the same direction as me) as I was walking along approaching a bend in the road.
There was a ball on the parcel shelf in the rear window, as the car drove around the curve, I could clearly see the ball carry on in a straight line.
Of course it appeared (from the occupants perspective) to roll across the parcel shelf, but for me the parcel shelf was moving across underneath the ball.

It was such a striking demonstration that I remember it to this day.

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11/05/2008 10:59 PM

Hello Dell:

The real world is always the best scientific teacher. I love your answer I'd never thought about it that way.

When I was 16 years old I had a experience that I have to (rate off topic ) but a similar learning experience. A friend of mine had set a large glass bottle on a fence post about 30 yards to my side.

We were out target shooting, and he moved out about 100 yards playing around and left me cooking breakfast. I just happen to be looking at the bottle when it disintegrated, followed by the sound, however the delay seemed like an eternity, while I was trying to figure out what happened to the bottle.

I had enough science by that time to clearly understand supersonic. And I was familiar enough with firearms to know the ones that we were using had muzzle velocities that were supersonic.

That's not quite four decades ago but close enough. I flashed on that reading your story. There's nothing like a practical demonstration to drive a concept known.

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11/06/2008 9:38 AM

I think what you are describing is best explained by the concept of inertia.

The ball had no force directly acting on it, so it behaved in accordance with one of Newton's other laws, "An object at rest tends to stay at rest..."

The ball and the parcel shelf wanted to stay where the were, but the shelf had to move because it was attached to the car. the ball however was not attached to the car, thus no force was acting on the ball, so it did not move. The shelf actually did move under the ball.

The same concept makes it possible for majicians to pull a table cloth out from under dishes arranged on a table.

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11/06/2008 11:51 AM

Yup, I think I figured that out.....

That's why centifugal force 'doesn't exist'...it's merely the lack of a force acting towards the centre of rotation...

Or for 'absence of force' read 'inertia'

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11/06/2008 1:05 PM

depends on which force your talking about

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11/05/2008 10:54 PM

Depends on the speed at 200miles an hour i am hugging the dasboard

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Re: Centripetal Force or Centrifugal Force?

11/06/2008 12:15 AM

Is the car making a left turn or right turn? is the person sitting on the driver side or the passenger side?

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11/06/2008 1:34 AM

Is the Driver on the left (correct) side of the car (RHD) or is he on the left (wrong) side of the car (LHD) like in US & Europe..

Just having some fun.... do not take this serious!

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11/06/2008 2:41 AM

I don't know how doors feel... I'm not one, but when I'm not driving, just in the rear seats at right side (I never go the wrong one) and someone is sat besides me and the driver turns left suddenly, I'll bet it's my neighbour who push me! I just support the shove.

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11/06/2008 2:56 AM

Mum...Mum...he's over MY side....

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11/06/2008 9:17 AM

M-o-o-o-o-m-m-m-m-m-m-m !!! He's looking at me.

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11/06/2008 3:08 AM

And you enjoy it, if the neighbour is a nice lady!!!!

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11/06/2008 3:55 AM

sshhh... my wife is very jealous and can hear you.

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11/06/2008 9:13 AM

I was told that the outward force is fictitious (centrifugal force). If it is fictitious, what is forcing you into the door (traveling alone, left side driver's side, left door, etc, etc.)

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11/06/2008 12:40 PM

Imagine you have lost weight, what value is the Centripetal force or momentum if you achieve zero mass??

Just for fun!

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11/06/2008 1:36 PM

There is no such thing as centrifugal force. What is going on is that when the car turns a corner, your body wants to continue moving in the straight line it was moving before the turn (inertia). As a consequence, it seems as if you are being forced into the door by some mysterious force - thus the term centrifugal force was unfortunately invented. The door pushes back at you and keeps you moving in a circle around the turn. The force the door applies to you to make you turn is called the 'centripetal force'. As a kid I had a sling - the kind David used against Goliath. I quickly learned that once the pocket was no longer forcing the rock to continue turning in circular motion (in other words I had let go of the one cord), the rock continued in a straight line in the direction it was going when I let go of the cord. This knowledge was very helpful in target practice with that thing. If there was such a thing as the centrifugal force, the rock would have travelled in a radial direction out from the center of rotation instead. It does not do this.

Fun Fact: Back in the day (50s and 60s) virtually nobody wore seat belts and virtually all front seats in cars were bench seats covered in vinyl. In order to test how much the girlfriend liked him, before a date a young man would polish the outside of the car - to make it look nice and put his best face forward, and then he'd polish the passenger side and middle of the front seat. During the date he would make a sharp right turn and she, continuing to move in a straight line (due to inertia) with little to no friction between her and the seat, had no choice but to slide over next to him. If she moved away afterward, he had some work to do. If she stayed put next to him, he knew that she liked him. Pretty sly!

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11/06/2008 5:23 PM

I think the "asker" was requiring that you explained in your answer,basically the string in your example can't push, just pull.May be just needs advisement to study "inertial or pseudo" forces,and reference systems.-

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11/06/2008 10:14 PM

GA

Kwetz tries to go straight due to inertia, and his neighbour too. Still Kwetz can enjoy the push of his neighbour.

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11/07/2008 1:59 AM

Let me just to point out two things:

I don't try to go straight due to inertia, is just my will!!!

Kwetz never enjoys the push of HIS neighbour. He enjoys that of HER neighbour.

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11/07/2008 6:40 PM

Hola Kwetz,

su gramatica no es corecto.

"Kwetz never enjoys the push of HIS neighbour. He enjoys that of HER neighbour"

el masculino HIS si coresponde al Kwetz, no el neighbour, entonces "He enjoys that of HIS neighbour, o, SHE enjoys that of HER neighbour!

( o hay una otra mujer en el coche, o tu tienes una problema con su orientación!!) un chiste,nada mas.

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11/10/2008 2:32 AM

Hi capblanc,

You're completely right. My mind was momentarily out and my hands know much less english language.

Anyway, according to the last modifications of Civil Code of Laws, here in Spain you can change "just in the papers" your sex and name. I think criminals all around the world should be applauding.

Even the words "father" and "mother" have been deleted from the law. Now we are designated "parent A" and "parent B". We have so leftist stupid politicians!!!

So, according to the previous, as well as I don't go right by inertia but because of my will, from now on I want to be called Loretta!!!

I love Monty Python.

Kind regards and thank you

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11/10/2008 4:21 AM

Hello Kwetz

No doubt, we will call you Loretta as per your wish. But, please clarify if we call you HE or SHE? We will follow your wish irrespective of your physical sex.

Parent A / B is good idea.

Here in India, few languages are already much progressive. In Kannada, one of the languages, these is no HE or SHE. It is something like YOU, with no clear cut indication of sex. We are happy, spain is also following same route. But you (your polititians) are much more progressive in allowing you to be called SHE, even though you are physically HE !!!

Also I understand that there is a movement is USA against use of word "MAN". They have already changed CHAIRMAN to CHAIRPERSON. And now they have suggested to use WOPERSON instaed of WOMAN.!

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