Previous in Forum: Stainless steel tubing   Next in Forum: Half Coupling vs. Weldolet
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Power-User

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Posts: 104

Oil-Lubricated Sleeves

11/12/2008 11:48 PM

dear all,

i am electrical engineer, i am designing motor protection for my client. when i read my client specification sheet. they require for motor bearing type with oil lubricated sleeve should be using RTD.

for me it is no problem to istall RTD. but

my question is how can i know that motor (in my P&ID) use "oil lubricated sleeve " or not ?

or what is the criteria for motor to use "oil lubricated sleeve " ?? for what HP of motor is used oil lubricated sleeve ?for what kind of service of motor is used oil lubricated sleeve ?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
2
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Interested in everything- see my Profile please APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - Member Hobbies - Musician - Autoharp and Harmonica Hobbies - Hunting - Member Hobbies - Fishing - Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Christchurch, (The Garden City), South Island, New Zealand
Posts: 4395
Good Answers: 230
#1

Re: What is the criteria to use oil lubricated sleeve

11/13/2008 1:07 AM

Hello elect-ok

Oil Lubricated Sleeve bearings are generally used on motors of larger shafts which are too large for using ball bearings, roller bearings etc lubricated by grease.

So in practice shafts larger than 200mm approximately may use Oil Lubricated Sleeve bearings.

Large motors used in Industrial processes will generally use Oil Lubricated Sleeve bearings, because of the potential of transferring vibration from bearings such as ball or roller type.

The Oil Lubricated Sleeve bearings are normally supplied with oil pressurized from an oil pump fed from an oil reservoir.

Oil has a higher lubrication quality than grease, and is preferred for larger bearings, because most greases have thickening/stabilizing agents added to the base oil to become a grease.

The RTD sensors are used because with Oil Lubricated Sleeve bearings a failing bearing will heat up with less noise than the failing ball or roller type.

RTD sensors may be generally connected to electronic starters designed with the motor and its usage pre-programmed into that starter system, thus the motor alarm and/or disconnection is sounded rather earlier than the older type of simple thermal overloads which use heated bimetal strips to operate a mechanical linkage and disconnect the starting/running contactor.

Refer also to: http://www.globalspec.com/reference/9335/121073/Section-9-1-1-Electric-Motors-and-Motor-Controls-Bearings-and-Lubrication

<"....From Pump Handbook 4th Edition

BEARINGS AND LUBRICATION


Very large horsepower (kilowatt) motors are generally supplied with oil-lubricated sleeve bearings with oil supplied from a reservoir. In some cases, pressurized oil lubrication systems are installed by the pump manufacturer along with hydrodynamic thrust bearings. All NEMA frame induction motors are available with ball bearings. These standard ball bearings are normally permanently grease lubricated. The bearings used in a motor must be sealed to keep the lubricant inside the bearings and keep contaminates from getting into the bearings. Double-sealed bearings are common for many pump applications.

Ball bearings are subject to early failure when used in electric motors driven by PWM inverters. This very common problem must be addressed. It is caused by the high carrier frequency used in the inverter to generate the sinusoidal currents for each phase. This results in generation of high common-mode voltages inside the phase windings of the stator. Because there is an excellent electrostatic coupling between the stator/frame and the rotor from the windings, a voltage is induced in the shaft. The ball bearings represent the least-resistant path for a short circuit to the stator. However, the balls seldom actually contact the races because of the film of grease or oil in between. When the voltage builds up in the shaft until it is greater than the insulating capability of the film of lubricant, the voltages arc across the lubrication gap and a flashover current goes through the bearing. In a relatively short amount of time, the bearing races will become grooved, causing the bearings to become noisy. Metal particulate will then egress from the bearing surfaces as the process continues, causing catastrophic bearing failures after a few months.

Therefore, all electric motors that are driven by PWM drives must have a shaft grounding system to provide a low resistance path between the shaft and the motor frame. There are other solutions to this potential problem, which can be discussed with the motor supplier.

Sleeve Bearings Motors that use oil-impregnated porous sleeve bearings are lubricated with an oil-soaked wick. These bearings are available in motors up to approximately 1 hp (0.75 kW). Sleeve-bearing motors larger than 1 hp (0.75 kW) are ring-lubricated. Lubricating oil is drawn up from the bearing sump to the bearing by a ring that rolls over the top of the motor shaft as the shaft rotates. Larger motors, having bearing heat losses that cannot be dissipated directly, may require the use of a pressurized lubrication system wherein oil is pumped into the bearings and allowed to recirculate through a heat exchanger. The oil delivered to each bearing is metered to provide only the required amount. A lubrication system composed of heat exchanger, sump, and pump is normally common to a number of bearings, rather than having a single lubricating pump for each bearing. Other types of bearings must be used in place of, or in addition to, sleeve bearings when thrust loads are present. Smaller sleeve bearings are in the form of a cylindrical shell and are usually made of bronze or steel-backed babbitt metal. Larger sleeve bearings are usually split on a horizontal centerline, allowing easy assembly and disassembly for inspection and replacement. The bearing housing is also split on the horizontal centerline and held together with bolts between the top and bottom halves.

Rolling Element Bearings All new electric motors manufactured to NEMA standards use grease-lubricated ball bearings with high radial and thrust load capacities. They are axially pre-loaded to eliminate any radial or axial play for quiet operation and long life. Most motor end frames include an outer race locking plate on the shaft end bearing to prevent race rotation due to output shaft loads. These bearing mounting features are required for high performance, long life, and high efficiency operation. Most motor manufacturers provide their larger frame sizes with grease fittings for relubrication during the lifetime of the motor. The smaller frames use bearings that are grease-packed and sealed for life at the factory and cannot be relubricated.

NEMA motors subject to very high loads and operating temperature in the larger frames may require oil lubrication to the rolling element bearings. This can be by either oil circulation within the bearing frame or from a pressurized lubrication system similar to that used with sleeve bearings. In addition, for motors required to carry very high thrust loads, quite often in only one direction, taper or spherical roller thrust bearings may be used.

Hydrodynamic Thrust Bearings Certain types of pump applications, such as very large vertical pumps, exhibit very high thrust loads that cannot be accommodated by rolling element bearings. Hydrodynamic bearings, usually with tilting, self-leveling thrust pads, are used for very high thrust loads. These bearings are sometimes referred to as "Kingsbury-type" in recognition of the original manufacturer of this bearing type. This type of bearing is oil-lubricated from a self-contained oil sump or an external pressurized pumping system, depending on size and rating.

Buy this book on Amazon.com © 2008 McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. (The)

.....">

Trust that assists you.

Kind Regards....

__________________
"The number of inventions increases faster than the need for them at the time" - SparkY
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1790
Good Answers: 87
#2

Re: What is the criteria to use oil lubricated sleeve

11/13/2008 2:33 AM

You will not be able to tell basis the P&ID's. The only place to find this information is on the data sheet for the motor.

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#3

Re: Oil-Lubricated Sleeves

11/14/2008 10:11 AM

The bearing will be an Oilite or something similar. It's nothing exotic at all. They are nothing more than oil impregnated bushings - typically cintered bronze.

When you order the motor just verify, or specify that the shaft has an oil impregnated bushing.

Travis

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Interested in everything- see my Profile please APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - Member Hobbies - Musician - Autoharp and Harmonica Hobbies - Hunting - Member Hobbies - Fishing - Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Christchurch, (The Garden City), South Island, New Zealand
Posts: 4395
Good Answers: 230
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Oil-Lubricated Sleeves

11/14/2008 6:48 PM

Hello Guest Travis,

Sintered Bronze oil-impregnated porous bronze bushes (Oilite and similar) are only suitable for small motors, ) 0.5kW and below, and are more suitable for the smaller motors as used for desk and ceiling fans, small pumps, cheap electric power tools and the like.

They are useless for the larger motors, of course.

Kind Regards....

__________________
"The number of inventions increases faster than the need for them at the time" - SparkY
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1790
Good Answers: 87
#5
In reply to #3

Re: Oil-Lubricated Sleeves

11/14/2008 8:43 PM

And an oilite bearing is a very different animal than an oil lubricated sleeve bearing...

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 5 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); Sparkstation (2); Steve S. (2)

Previous in Forum: Stainless steel tubing   Next in Forum: Half Coupling vs. Weldolet

Advertisement