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Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/16/2008 2:40 PM

I'm in Ontario Canada and working on a project that involves a multi-storey parking garage that will have floor drains connected to the sanitary sewer.

What design flow can I use?

This use is not covered in the Ontario Building Code

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Re: Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/16/2008 10:58 PM

Are you collecting rainwater? You can use this as your flow rate Q=CIA

Q=flow rate (L/s) ; C=run-off coefficient; just say 0.9; I - rainfall intensity mm/hr

A= coverage area (sq.m).

If not, assumed carpark area will be covered with water at depth of 50mm (to get the volume) then divide it by your assume drain time to get your flow rate.

Some local code based the flow rate on the sprinkler flow rate.

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Re: Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/17/2008 6:57 AM

Ah, to be given an opportunity such as you have in an age when stewardship of resources appears to matter...You could use your stormwater design system to generate a bit of power on rainy days perhaps to run emergency exit signs or something better depending on how many stories of vertical drop will be involved..Dream about the possible before designing the system to handle a problem..design the system as an opportunity to utilize creative engagement ..Perhaps make it in to a cascading loop of falling water only functional on rainy days chuteing into your municipalities sewer system..at the bottom end or into a pond as part of the garge landscaping design which would connect to a sewer at overflow spots like in a tub or larger pool.I think if i were younger i'd be a design engineer and have fun with the process and the outcome wherever possible..Regards,MartyW a rambler on most occassions

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Re: Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/17/2008 11:40 AM

I've designed parking lots myself and have run into this problem. The design outflow will be whatever you deem it to be. The inflow of stormwater is dictated by the catchment area draining into the carpark factored by the runoff coefficient, as explained above. Typically I would use a 1 in 100 year, 15 minute storm data for your design rainfall event.

The design challenge is how much outflow do you allow without surcharging the sewer line, which will lead to liability issues if you backcharge the carpark or surcharge its neighbours with sewage. An estimate of the capacity of the sewer line is vital. You may have to contact the municipal planner or engineer responsible for the sewer line to coordinate what the allowable outflow is.

There are a variety of devices that control the outflow. The most popular being flow control cones that are installed in each floor drain, or a single outlet pipe flow controller. Use a search engine to look for "stormwater flow control" to find a distributer and styles available in your area.

Once you've determined the expected rainfall inflow, and the allowable outflow, you can estimate the potential flood depth of the carpark. If greater than 4 inches (100 mm) you may want to install a sump pump with piping to discharge accumulation in the carpark somewhere where the discharge will no flow back into the carpark. This will protect the vehicles parked in the lowest levels. The reduced insurance rates will cover the cost of sump and pump to the owner, if cost is an issue. Normally you would not have to worry about freeze protection of the discharge line, but would have to freeze protect the sump to avoid damaging the pump.

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Re: Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/17/2008 12:47 PM

Water flow is collected water from the roof or top level, per local code and conditions, PLUS rainfall that gets into the open sides of the garages. City of Chicago presumes that to be rain at a 45 degree angle against the side of the building.

Check with local code authority for your building.

Since you are connecting to sanitary seweer, you will probably need an OWS (oil/water separator) that the owner/operator of the parking garage will have to clean and maintain.

Forget about generating enery from the falling water, flow is too unsteady to economically generate.

However, you have an opportunity to "harvest" rainwater for later use in irrigation for landscaping or other "Non-potable" applications. This could be worth some green points if this is for a campus looking to be environmentally conscious.

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Re: Sanitary Design Flow for Parking Garage

12/17/2008 7:45 PM

Definitely check with your local authority for the desing storm requirements and any special requirements. Typically the design storm for a sorm drainage collection system will not approach a 100 year event, this is more typical of a design storm for a storage or detention system. Design storms for collection systems is more typically 5 years to 25 years depending on local codes. You can use many methods to develop a design storm hydrograph, SCS methods are frequently used for this.

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