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Coded Pressure Vessels and ASME Code Requirements

12/18/2008 8:47 PM

Hey good folks.

At what point does a vessel become a pressure vessel subject to ASME code requirements? We've got a box made from a hogged out solid piece of 6061-T6 Aluminum that is 24" x 29" x 5" tall. The walls are all 0.500" thick and the whole thing is anodized. The lid is a flat piece of aluminum same specs and thickness and there is a 21" diameter hole in the middle of it. To the bottom surface of the lid is glued a flat piece of silicone rubber 1/4" thick and there is a fill port 1/4" tap on the top. This lid is clamped down with several 2000# welding clamps and additional peripheral clamps. There is a 24" diameter, 1/8" thick, thermoformed ABS round tub on a structural plate that has 2.5" high wall that is put inside it. I calculated the volume to be around 1.2 cubic feet. This whole thing pressurizes to 1 PSIG now.

The idea is to increase the pressure to help aid in finding any leaks of the structural to tub interface and working sealed penetrations on top of the tub. The tub is filled with 2" of water to cover the sealed working features and bubbles are sought visually. Can the pressure be raised, and to what point before the code applies, or does it apply now? This is a serious safety issue, so I'm looking for someone who has or know the code please. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Coded Pressure Vessel Question

12/18/2008 9:57 PM

Note that the ASME code is not law UNLESS it is referred to by the law of your locale.

Regardless, the ASME code does not apply to vessels under 15 psig anyway (and this is typically the limit that is enforced by specific bodies).

I don't know the laws in Arizona so I recommend that you check with the officials in Arizona to make sure that you are exempt.

Most often too is the case that you will be required to install a relief device to ensure you do not over pressurize.

And lastly - be careful - a lot of explosive force can still be generated under 15 psig.

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12/18/2008 10:36 PM

I thought it was 15 PSIG and/or some volume combined, but wasn't sure, and so I wanted to check here and see if someone dealing with it daily had the skinny.

We're installing a safety relief valve and probably won't go over 5 PSIG. I have a healthy respect for compressed gasses so we're changing the lid to 1" steel and replacing the seal sheet with and o-ring for the box & a pneumatic axial seal for the tub. The clamps have been beefed up to 3x present capcity as well. We'll keep the stresses way below the endurance limit, but I can't count on anyone knowing the code at work, and I don't want to install a violation (safe or not) if asking here could illuminate my ignorance. Haven't killed anybody yet. Not going to start now!

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12/18/2008 11:02 PM

You are correct in that some locales may have alternate rules regarding volumes, take for example Alberta:

R E G U L A T I O N A N D N O T E S S E C T I O N 5
A B - 5 1 6 R E V . 1 : 2 0 0 6 - 0 4 - 1 8 19
Section 5: Pressure Vessels
5(1) The following types of pressure vessels, regardless of volume, must meet all the
requirements for pressure vessels in this Regulation:
(a) steam jacketed sterilizers;
(b) autoclaves;
(c) steam jacketed kettles;
(d) air cooled heat exchanger headers;
(e) compressor bottles;
(f) hairpin type heat exchangers.
The pressure vessels listed here must be designed and
constructed as pressure vessels, and must meet all regulatory and
code requirements for pressure vessels. They cannot be registered
or constructed as fittings, even if their volume is less than 42.5
litres.
Generally, these items have a more complex design and require
more detailed design work than other small pressure vessels,
which are registered as fittings.
(2) A type of pressure vessel not listed in subsection (1) that has a volume not
exceeding 42.5 litres shall not be manufactured or operated unless it is registered by
the Administrator and it may be registered and manufactured as a fitting.
(3) If there is a dispute as to whether an item of pressure equipment may be
registered by the Administrator and constructed or manufactured as a fitting or as a
pressure vessel, the dispute may be referred to the Administrator for a ruling.
In Alberta, Figure 1(b) in CSA B51 is used as a guide to determine
if a small pressure vessel can be treated as a category H fitting.
However, the Administrator has final say over whether an item may
be registered as a fitting or must be registered as a pressure
vessel.

See: Figure 1(b) in CSA B51

(It would not be registered as an ASME "Pressure Vessel" but rather a "fitting")

And that is why I suggest you check with the Arizona officials

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