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Welding Materials

12/31/2008 3:57 AM

why material having carbon % more than 0.35 do not used in welding?

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Re: why material having carbon % more than 0.35 do not used in welding?

12/31/2008 4:17 AM

You are talking about steel isn't it.

Steel having >0.30% carbon are perfectly weldable (even cast irons having >3% carbin are welded)

However you need special precautions in welding these and WPS are available to guide you in these.

The problem in these steels are the formation of martensites in the HEZ (as you know, the weld poodle cools very fast and is usually much faster that the CCR)

The welding process have to avoid these and the stresses generated. The usual practice (other than the normal- electrode, speed, current etc) is strict control in Pre-heat temperature and Post weld heat tretments to minimise or eliminate the effects of Martensites

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Re: why material having carbon % more than 0.35 do not used in welding?

12/31/2008 8:41 AM

They become subject to creation of martensite in the HAZ Heat Affected Zone, especially as the increased use of electric furnace steel production methods has allowed the residual elements to increase, thus increasing what we call the "carbon Equivalent:"

CE = C + Mn/6 + (Cr+Mo+V)/5 + (Ni+Cu)/15 ( all weight percent)

if the steel is microalloyed to produce very fine grain size and thus air precipiattion hardening effects, that requires a different formula:

Ceq = C + Si/25 + (Mn+Cr)/16 + (Cr+Ni+Mo)/20 + V/15
the advice that we followed using this was :

above .45 carbon equivalent, depending on section thickness, a post weld heat treatment may be needed.

Be very careful of the advice on this subject on the web that uses 0.14 wt% as a cut off, and 0.14%- 0.45 % as "modest preheats necessary;" and above 0.45 CE being "extreme complications." These advice do not mention need for post weld heat treatment or stress relief; they do not mention the role of section thickness, and they seem to imply that low hydrogen electrodes make the problem go away(they don't, they can help to minimize hydrogen problems, but not all of it, nor eliminate all stress from sectional and cooling differences.

I have not been able to find the original source for the 0.14% cutoff, and the absence of mention of post weld heat treatments is nonfeasance at best; malfeasance likely in the eyes of a jury...

(The Ityo Besseyo formula uses 0.18% not 0.14% !!! )see this article:

http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/2004/Adams.Bhadeshia.AWJ.2004.pdf

milo

P.S. I would also point out that grade 1144 which is above 0.35 wt % carbon is resulfurized, and as a result should never be welded.

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Re: why material having carbon % more than 0.35 do not used in welding?

01/01/2009 8:13 AM

Damn!!!

I've tried to add something but you didn't let me a simple word!!!

Happy New Year!

P.S. This time I'm taking notes...

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Re: why material having carbon % more than 0.35 do not used in welding?

01/01/2009 11:42 AM

It was merely a matter of timing Kwetz, I'm sure.

Happy new year to you and yours. Lets make 2009 a better year than 2008!

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01/02/2009 9:11 AM

You can weld it but as the Carbon Content and Carbon equivalent rises then you've paid more attention to the preheat, interpass and heat treatment of the material to achieve the required mechanical properties. In some cases as in Sour Service conditions, it's important to have a required hardness to avoid Stress Corrosion and this is achieved trough control of Carbon Equivalent.

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