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Milky Way is Much Bigger than Once Thought

01/06/2009 3:21 PM

....however Earth is still insignificant, only slightly more so, and Andromeda doesn't seem so tough anymore.....Here's the story....

Our galaxy is much bigger than once thought, according to research presented at a major astronomy meeting this week.

The results suggest the Milky Way is roughly the same size as Andromeda, the largest galaxy in our local group.

What is more, it is moving 15% faster than earlier predictions.

The greater mass means that future collisions with nearby galaxies could happen sooner than thought, according to the researchers.

Mark Reid of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) in Cambridge, US, and his colleagues made use of the Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA) to deduce the Milky Way's size and speed.

Dr Reid was speaking at the 213th American Astronomical Society (AAS) meeting in Long Beach, California.

The VLBA is a system of 10 radio telescopes scattered across and around North America that together allow unprecedented resolution in astronomy measurements.

This resolution, according to the CfA, is equivalent to being able to read a newspaper in Cairo from an armchair in Edinburgh.

No longer will we think of the Milky Way as the little sister of the Andromeda Galaxy
Mark Reid, CfA

By using the VLBA to measure the apparent shift of far-flung star-forming regions when the Earth is on opposite sides of the Sun, the researchers were able to measure the distance to those regions using fewer assumptions than prior efforts.

"These measurements use the traditional surveyor's method of triangulation and do not depend on any assumptions based on other properties, such as brightness, unlike earlier studies," said team member Karl Menten of the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy in Bonn, Germany.

The results show that the Milky Way is about 15% wider than previously thought.

Spinning around

Tiny shifts in the frequency of the radio emission that arise because the regions are moving gave the researchers an estimate of how quickly the Milky Way rotates around its centre.

They estimate this to be about 914,000km per hour, significantly higher than the widely accepted value of 792,000km per hour.

That speed, in turn, allowed the astronomers to calculate the total amount of dark matter in the Milky Way - the invisible component that makes up the majority of the galaxy's mass.

The researchers estimate that the Milky Way contains about 50% more mass than earlier predictions - putting it on a par with the Andromeda galaxy, previously thought to be our much bigger neighbour and the largest in our Local Group of galaxies.

"No longer will we think of the Milky Way as the little sister of the Andromeda Galaxy," Dr Reid said.

That higher mass makes for a higher gravitational pull, suggesting that collisions with Andromeda and other nearby galaxies may happen much sooner than thought - but still billions of years in the future.

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Re: Milky Way is Much Bigger than Once Thought

01/06/2009 7:22 PM

I was under the impression that we were part of an expanding universe. If the whole universe has been expanding since the "Big Bang" then it seems to me that galaxies should be getting further apart with time, not closer together. Why should we collide with Andromeda?

Of course, if the collision doesn't occur for a few billion years, perhaps we shouldn't get overly worried just yet. Mankind will no doubt annihilate this planet long before that.

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Re: Milky Way is Much Bigger than Once Thought

01/06/2009 8:37 PM

You're correct in that the Universe is expanding and that, overall, objects in the Universe are moving apart. But there are local motions to account for.

Think of Andromeda and The Milky Way as passengers on board one of a great number of very large cruise ships which are themselves moving apart from each other. The passengers are milling about but they're still aboard the same ship (which itself is growing larger, but a much slower pace than the motion of the passengers aboard). Andromeda and The Milky Way are on board the ship called The Local Group. Out of Panama.

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01/06/2009 8:46 PM

"They estimate this to be about 914,000km per hour, significantly higher than the widely accepted value of 792,000km per hour."

Which part is going this speed? Are they referring to the tangential velocity of the Solar System? Galaxies exhibit differential rotation, so citing a single speed without specifying a location within the galaxy makes no sense. These guys should know better.

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01/07/2009 8:20 AM

Just out of curiosity and basically because I'm way too lazy far too busy to look it up myself...

I thought I read somewhere that they've decided that our Milky Way galaxay isn't one of those pretty multi-spiral-arm type galaxies at all. Rather we're either a lumpy one or perhaps have just two arms (making us something of a "poor relation" embarassment at the Intergalactic Polo Tournements).

Am I remembering that correctly?

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01/07/2009 9:54 AM

Your partially correct. We are still a spiral galaxy, as far as we know, we just have a long bar in the middle:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20050716222122data_trunc_sys.shtml

Something like this:

Not this like we originally thought:

These are important things to know if we are ever going to conquer our galaxy.

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01/07/2009 12:04 PM

Thanks. I'll take "partially correct" anyday.

If anyone's looking for me, I'll be enjoying a beverage at that long bar at the middle.

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