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Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/19/2009 5:41 AM

Dear all,

I have a 300 kw, 3p motor for a compressor with a Star-Delta Starter. The winding has been burnt twice and two phase of the breaker is always black. What would be the main cause? Is it because of the unbalance? Please advice.


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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/19/2009 7:55 AM

For compressor starting : its required high starting time, so every start 6 times

current passes for longer period-so ultimately it burnt breaker contact or motor

winding.

so for equipment like compressor ( High Inertia ) should use auto transfomer having

70 % voltage setting (Than rated voltage) instead of star-Delta starter

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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/19/2009 8:34 PM

Thank you for your advise. Is it because the size of the motor (is there a limit that dictates us to use auto transformer starter) or every compressor has to use auto transformer?

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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/20/2009 2:24 PM

dear adhyartha,

I think that Panta gave you good idea about your problem with false starting. If I were you I should buy good soft-starter .

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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/19/2009 8:48 AM

Dear Adhyartha,

If you have to rewind 300kW again motor you are in big trouble. If your Repair shop has good result in final testing you probably has bad connection when motor is starting in delta connection. I suppose that motor start fine in Y and then one pole of the breaker for D mistakenly link up termination of same winding and another two poles have big amount of current. If the load is moderate motor can still running until new burning.

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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/20/2009 1:25 PM

Hi there, in most electrical standards the motors with power like yours must be supplied with high voltage 3.3 or 6.6 Kv, but if we want to run this motors with low voltage the best method is by using power transformer supplied with high voltage and transfer this voltage to low feeding the motor, this method decreasing the current on the starter.

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Re: Problem with Star-Delta Starter

01/20/2009 1:36 PM

Accurate troubleshooting requires sufficient information. Clearly two of your three phases are drawing more current over time than the original designer anticipated. But where and why this unbalance is happening is your problem. Here are a few possible reasons assuming that you're using a synchronous motor:

  1. The centripetal starting switch is not opening for the damper windings found on the rotor. (An unusual approach with a synchronous motor but I am grasping at straws here.) This can happen by:
    1. mechanical switch failure (gunk or shorting)
    2. Insufficient motor speed from increased mechanical load (it's stuck)
  2. Two of the starting windings are wired to the running contacts.
  3. The motor originally has a wiring short or something mechanically is nicking some stator windings.

If instead you have an induction motor then these ideas come to mind:

  1. start current reducing resistors that are wired in series with the three phases and a centripetal switch failure that is not opening for one phase and thus not removing that resistor and preventing the motor to achieve full speed.
  2. You may have a failed capacitor bank that is attempting to supply reactive power to reduce real power draw required for efficient operation.
  3. Mechanical damage to stator windings

That's my ideas

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