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Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/22/2009 4:25 PM

I'd like to start this post out with a preface:

I am very unfamiliar with electrical engineering, calculations...you name it. I could very well be asking a dumb question without knowing it.

Anyway, here it goes.

I've been tasked with taking over UPS monitoring by my employer. We had a large scale power outage (almost an entire day) late last week and we noticed through the alerts that were sent by the management cards that some of the UPSes had less than 15 minutes of battery life. The powers that be want to have about half an hour of life on those devices.

I have no idea how to calculate or estimate the battery life based on the devices attached to it. I know the UPS devices I have so I can gather their info from the APC site, I know the devices attached to them so I can gather that info from the Cisco site. Once I have all that information though, how do I figure out battery life? How do I factor in things such as Power over Ethernet that would increase the draw of a switch? I saw that APC has a UPS selector and I've been toying with that, but in the first two scenarios I gave it it tells me "No standard UPS could be found to meet your requirements." (and that was in a scenario with two PoE switches, 25% growth requirement, and a desire for 25 minutes of battery life).

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your replies.

Cheers,
Olimar Reyes

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Re: Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/22/2009 5:07 PM

All batteries are list with AH(Amp Hour) Rating. 100 AH is 1 amp for 100 hrs or 5 amps for 20 hours. If you know what your load is and at what voltage is then you can compile the data to build the battery bank you need.

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01/22/2009 8:57 PM

That post is correct, but I think the APC site was also trying to tell you something. The point of an UPS is to carry you through a momentary brownout or blackout, and allow you to shutdown gracefully in the case of an extended loss of power. If you need more time than a standard UPS will give you, what you want then is a standby generator that will automatically kick in after a few minutes of blackout, well within the time frame that your UPS can keep your IT equipment running.

Consider the battery that would keep a 250 Watt PC supply running for a half-hour. That is a 2 Amp current draw at 120 Vac, which means a 20 Amp draw from a 12 Vdc battery. And that's assuming perfect UPS efficiency. The UPS is likely about 90% efficient. So you need a 12 Vdc battery with a 10 Amp-hour rating. It doesn't work quite like that, but it's in the ball park.

Here's just such a battery:

http://www.batterymart.com/p-12v-10ah-sealed-lead-acid-battery.html

Say you have three such loads to maintain for the same time period. Now you need 60 Amp-hours. Here's that battery:

http://digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=522-1018-ND

Your off-the-shelf APC UPS is built around a certain battery size. If you need more amp-hours, you either need a larger UPS, you can jury rig some kind of parallel attachment of extra batteries to your UPS batteries (will never fly in today's safety conscious, regulated and litigious environment), or you can do as I suggested at the beginning: acquire a standby generator that ties into your mains distribution for ITE and provide back up power after lights have been out for a few minutes.

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Re: Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/22/2009 9:05 PM

Oliamr,

For the Majority of the small UPSs on the market (Rack Mount or Mini Tower) the default is usually 15minutes at 80% of the KVA rating.

First of all, I'm assuming that these are APC units, since you are using thier site.

To clarify your actual runtime, I suggest you use the Calibration tool in the UPS software and get actual runtimes rather than the default depending on the load.

Next Identify which units actually require the 30 mins run time and work with them only.

The next step will depend on your comfort level as there are two options.

1) You can buy additional batteries, leads and fuses and connect the extra batteries in series\parrallel as required. (Based on your preface Not Recommended)

2) Contact APC or a reseller and order APCs branded Expansion Battery Packs.

Your site electrician can assist you with Option 1, but I do not recommend you attempt this yourself based on the information you provided.

Option 2, you could easily do yourself as they are effectively "plug-n-play' once the UPS is turned off. Unfortunately this option is more expensive. But would look nicer.

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Re: Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/22/2009 9:21 PM

1) What is your usage?

2) How big is your Load?

3) How long do you need to back up?

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Re: Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/22/2009 10:07 PM

In case of such a large power outages (and if it is expected further too) did your organisation consider back-up generators ?

UPS is no solution, all the posts 1,2,3 are correct. UPS is just to give an alarm and sufficient time for you to complete the immediate task and start the shut down procedure.

In all other activities- it is not that UPS are not available- but the space requirement for keeping the batteries may be too high (it boils down to your load in KVA ) -

We do have UPSs of larger capacity/ duration - but these are connected to certain emergency areas- Hospitals (specific portions), main Frame Computer etc, but i still doubt these can run for more than a few hours. We put up our DG Back up set as soon at the power fails and it handles those first, rest is used for other lighting and the left over is put for machining activities.

So if the load is high, don't think of UPS.

If load is low, Go for UPS+Inverter , Modify UPS to connect a big battery bank, UPS+DG Set etc.

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Re: Battery Backup - Expected Runtimes

01/23/2009 10:39 AM

Thank you for your responses and help, everyone--I am learning very much!

My company is basically set up like so: we have a main building with all of our servers and network equipment. We have three other buildings for different departments (accounting, marketing and PR, etc) and each building has a networking area in their basements. In each basement are switches attached to APC SmartUPS devices that feed our PoE phones and Access Points and so forth. These are what the administration is concerned about: they want our switches to remain operational and on battery backup for anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes.

In one of said areas we have a SmartUPS 1000XL providing battery backup to 2 Cisco switches. I've found a Power Usage calculator on Cisco's site that estimates a single switch with 15 PoE phones and 2 APs will use 218.3W of power. Another switch with 10 phones and 0 APs will use 129W of power with a total of 347.3W.

In looking into APC SmartUPS solutions I found a calculator that says a SmartUPS 1000XL should last for 33 minutes with a 400W draw. In our real world situation however it lasted for only 13 minutes. Would replacing the batteries be enough to increase the runtime 20 minutes? Or are their calculators potentially incorrect? I'm new at this so I'm taking the cheap way out and using their calculators--once I learn more I'd like to understand enough to do the calculations on my own, I just can't find Amp-Hour information on APC's site, only output Watts and VA.

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01/23/2009 8:00 PM

Olimar,

The Calculator on the APC site would be correct for batteries up to approx 18-24 months old, especially if the UPS has not been setup to excersize the batteries.

The batteries in the APC UPSs vary in size according to the UPS and are either 12V or 24V for thier off the shelf packs, which is why in my original post I suggested to go that way.

Log on to the UPS Network Card and under [Smat-UPS XXXX] and then [Diagnostics] select [Initiate a UPS Diagnostic Function] then from the drop down select [Start Runtime Calibration]. Once the test is completed it will tell you how long Your batteries should last with the existing Load.

While you are in there, you can also set the [Self Test] function to a frequency that suites you and your environment 7 or 14 days. I personally run this every week.

The general design life cycle for these comparitively small batteries is approximately 5 years in this use, so if they are nearing this point, it may still be time to look at replacing them, depends on the criticality of your environment.

My last point for this entry is that I would agree with SB (I banged in a GA) that given the load, runtime requirement and variability of your load as described, you should look at getting an appropriately sized generator installed and set for Auto Start-up if the power is out for more than approx 60seconds. Just make sure you load said Generator up to at least 50% (i.e. don't go too big unless you have other uses for the power)

Regards,
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p.s. Appolgies for mis-spelling your name in my first post.

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