Free Energy - The Race to Zero Point (Documentary)

It looks like you posted the same question yesterday.

Please wait for a response to the first before asking again.

Because nothing in that movie actually works, that's why. And no, I haven't seen it, and nor do I need to. Work can only be done when there is an energy transfer, and energy can only flow from a higher potential to a lower one. Over-unity devices propose that energy flows from a lower potential to a higher one, something that has been repeatedly proven to be impossible.

Dvader1000!

I was thinking sometime after that your Emperor Regimental Rule discussion sometime ago, that perhaps these Over-Unity Devices disciples are trying to create a localized energy-sink, the corresponding source of which impinges on a collector of some sort. Now keep in mind I have no idea if they are even thinking this, but I thought to myself such is the only even minutely tenable argument they can proffer.

Just still trying to keep an open mind. What do you think?

Hi Ed,

Like you, I believe in keeping an open mind. As per our discussion, I can accept the possibility of harnessing a hitherto unknown source of energy for use. Such a device will not violate the Laws of Physics, since it will still create a positive potential of energy to perform work. Take for example the "water-for-gas" scam. Everybody know electrolysis works, which is why these crooks keep promoting the idea. However, most laymen are unaware that it is a highly inefficient process that actually consumes much more energy than can be reclaimed. So when these guys put forward their claims, less informed members of the public may fall for their claims and get conned.

The real problem with these over-unity guys is that they refuse to even prove their claims, let alone make a public demonstration to a panel of experts or allowing the experts to analyze their equipment to replicate their claims. If these devices really work, all they have to do is to do what I just said, and the world will be turned on its head. The strange thing though, is that they never do this. Instead, they just seek publicity through such pseudodocumentaries like "Free Energy - The Race to Zero Point" and appeal for investors. And then never put out even a single product for independent analysis. Just read what one such scammer tried to pull off here. I kept pressing him to prove his claims, and he kept evading the issue. The only reason why I didn't outright accuse him of pulling a scam is because I was trying to keep an open mind and I wanted him to prove his claims. http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/19777

Actually, free energy does exist, in the form of the tides, the wind, sunlight etc. It's trying to harness the energy to perform useful work that costs money, and that's another thing the over-unity scammers don't mention.

Frankly speaking, my sole interest in threads like these is to protect innocent people from getting scammed, which is why I always challenge the people who make such claims to prove them publicly to a panel of experts, then allow the experts to analyze their equipment. If their over-unity devices really harness the hypothetical unknown energy source that we're discussing here, the experts may discover it, even if the inventors themselves are unaware of it. And that would be a true boon to all mankind. The sad thing is, none of them were ever up to it.

By the way, I felt pretty bad about the way some of the other members criticized you on Waro's thread, simply because you are suggesting to them what we're discussing now. I'm glad you didn't let that get to you.

Yes that particular poster's name comes up with all sorts of hits as a simple Google search.

I don't think he himself was scamming so much as playing a pigeon.

DVader1000,

I must admit though that some references I have got from the Over-Unity researchers have been rather interesting: There was this reference of Sandia National Labs dielectric breakdown voltage test I found rather curious - copy at www.gbanalysts.com/RefDocs/e070401.pdf.

The technology for impressing very high voltage between plates under conditions of minimal current flow I find is a solution to a problem that I had faced on a technology development task I faced. The object for my application of the technology was different but solves the problem. By my application, it actually enables some limited particle acceleration effects as one would expect in X-rays tubes.

In some respects this is one of the reason why I have been paying attention to them. I think that even if they may not really achieve their objective of Over-Unity they may have developed all sorts of curious technologies which they have refused to disclose because of the fear of being ridiculed.

I think this is an important truth: they develop a lot of interesting technologies.

Just tell man it can't be done. And, if IT cant I assure you something WILL be done.

On another note:

I am not convinced that we have not fully capitalized on existing technology. I am ever frustrated that I see so little revisitation of proven technology long cast aside for newer more exciting technology.

A good example is the Stirling. If whole hearted efforts to employ the newest materials were employed to these principles with the power of super computing computations to support and design, then we would see some very practical applications in a consumer market.

The best that can be said for this constant investigation is as pointed out - there ARE a lot of technologies that had no application at the time they were invented. And we have a tendency to forget anything that isn't in use.

So mining the past can be very useful.

Thank you for responding and I apologise for the double post.

Thought that the question belonged in New Technologies & Research because apparently no evidence proves any of the devices exist...ie, we can't go out and buy them at home depot.

Truth be known, I'm just trying to keep an open mind too and collect as much information as possible.

This is my 4th year living in Beijing and I've recently acquired an opportunity to provide the public with energy saving devices. I would imagine that wireless electricity could go down well...if localised. If you know of a factory I could visit that may be able to help, please let me know.

And rather than dogpile an old subject, let me throw in here - there ain't no such thing as free.

Tidal power has to be harnessed, then distributed. Solar power too has an infrastructure. These are all costs that impact the *free* aspect.

Transmitted electricity ONLY has the advantage of not needing copper wire. The energy still must be produced using equipment someone has to pay for.

There is no magic with wireless transmission of power, just staggering inefficiency.

This concept is becoming popular for small devices in the home because it is *convenient* not to have wires and because batteries are expensive.

I'm all for an open mind, and there are some very good reasons to harness other power sources, but it is important to keep in mind the tradeoffs involved.

EVEN if I put PV panels on every roof in America, where does the power come from at night? Battery banks in every home is an ecological disaster.

If the power company only generates and sells power at night (ignoring the costs of shutting down the plant every morning which with current technology is higher than you think) do we not understand that we then pay twice as much for power at night?

A fixed cost must be covered. Even a cooperative that *shares* the cost of generation and distribution still has to cover it's costs.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but spot savings and solutions for the individual based on sacrificing the crowd will not get us where we need to be. I hang PV panels on the roof and all I do is unload *myself*. During the day. I still need the power plant.

The solutions needed are system wide and will be large - massive infrastructure investment in generation, storage, distribution.

And the only ones with the cash necessary will be the people doing it right now - the utilities. And then we will listen to another generation pissing about massively *free* power buried by the powers that be.

Edignan,

Within the context of the analysis you have given, I am curious what your analytical perspective on Thermonuclear Engineering Technology is - considering the huge amount of money society has already thrown at it. The point is that I have never been able to be or not to be categorical if the defined object of those projects is or is not "Over-Unity"?

Ummm, not my field so commenting is dangerous.

But, current technology seems to be a very lossey process with some nasty waste we should figure out how to use.

My understanding is we are using a very old design tho.

The 'nasty waste' is being put to use - look into DU weaponry!

Really fun stuff (please detect extreme sarcasm)

Perhaps, I should explain that Thermonuclear Engineering Technology is not the same as Nuclear technology - of course, that is if I have got your drift correctly.

Have you heard about this free energy source that these guys put together?

Here: http://bit.ly/1Bn1Nt

P.S.: My PERSONAL experience - it's NOT a waste of time.