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Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen Service Reactor

02/17/2009 11:24 PM

Can I use reinforcing pads for the Long weld neck nozzle of 1 1/2" which is at Dished End for Reactor which is in Hydrogen service?

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen service Reactor

02/17/2009 11:26 PM

( hmmmmmmm .......... maybe a response when I am logged on and not posting as Guest will have an effect)

So to repeat my previous answer:

Yes.

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen service Reactor

02/17/2009 11:52 PM

Thanks, but if it is contradicting with Licensor specification?

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen service Reactor

02/18/2009 12:04 AM

Well, as the two rules of customer service go.

  1. The customer is always right.
  2. If the customer is wrong, see Rule #1.

What is the reason you are wanting to go with a reinforcing pad? I suspect it is due to external loadings, because the main intent of long weld necks is to avoid/negate the requirement for a pad due to "area replacement". And if so, are you able to lower the external loadings?

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02/18/2009 12:08 AM

Whooops

I accidentally signed in as my old alter-ego "Guest." that should have been posted by this username "XMech"

(it's a long, confusing story, so please don't ask)

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen service Reactor

02/18/2009 3:09 AM

Can you tell me is there any harm by using Rf pad for nozzles of reactors which is in hydrogen service.

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen service Reactor

02/18/2009 9:23 PM

None that I am aware of - we have a lot of them in our gas reform plant.

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen Service Reactor

02/18/2009 10:52 PM

What I understand is that you donot want to go for LWN nozzle and use re-pad instead. The size of your nozzle is small if you consider pipe nozzle and as per code it may be exempt taking into consideration few clauses. Please check do you really require reinforcement requirement due to reinforcement area consideration.

If you need to provide re-pad due to nozzle loading, then my answer is "If client spec calls for self-reinforced nozzle... you cannot go for re-pad."

And to clarify one more thing... re-pad can be given in hydrogen service. It is only and only client requirement....

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen Service Reactor

02/19/2009 1:22 AM

Per ASME code, Section VIII, Div. 1, UG-36(c)(3)(a) : For vessels not subject to rapid fluctuations in pressure, do not require reinforcement other than that inherent in the construction under the following conditions:

3-1⁄2 in. (89 mm) diameter — in vessel shells or heads with a required minimum thickness of 3⁄8 in. (10 mm) or less;

• 2-3/8" (60 mm) diameter and lesser located in shells or heads with thickness over 3/8" (10 mm).

Instead of that and even that there is an evidence by calculation that no need to reinforcing pad, it is the right of the owner or designer to add such a reinforcing pad. So, it is your right to add the reinforcing pad for LWN flange if its nozzle thickness is limited with those standard thicknesses.

Only in integral flanges where the nozzle neck thickness is calculated and show that there is an increased in thickness (other than those standard thicknesses) to compensate the area required for reinforcement, in this case only we don't recommend to add a reinforcing pad.

See the following CR4 Threads: Reinforcement Pad & Reinforcement Pad for Long Weld Neck Flange

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02/19/2009 10:10 AM

GA for you as always you hit the nail on the head with your responses and give the ASME back-up documentation as well.

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02/20/2009 3:22 AM

My dear friend pipewelder, thank you very much for your nice compliments.

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen Service Reactor

04/21/2009 2:19 AM

Dear Sir,

In a similar case, I have used 2" LWNRF over Dished end with RF pad in reactor, but our client have objection that for H2 service pad type arrangement does not stand guranttee for prolong use. I have used KCS material, with vent hole over pad and PWHT full.

Can you please give any reference where this time of arrangement working from long time. Also, if possible can you provide your mail ID so that other detail can be sent to you.

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Re: Long Weld Neck on Hydrogen Service Reactor

02/19/2009 9:03 AM

My understanding about hydrogen service is that hydrogen diffuses through metal and collects in trapped void spaces. If a pad is used, it must have vents (which the ASME Code requires anyway).

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