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Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/20/2009 12:19 PM

Hello.

Problem is this: When measuring a cylindrical part, as a capacitor tube ( small),

at which point in the caliper jaw area gives the correct reading? The flat part or the thinner "tip" part?

Measuring tubes and get different readings from both sections. When measuring gage blocks, we use the end to measure, is this the correct way?

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Re: Where to measure on calipers?

02/20/2009 12:28 PM

Sounds like your calipers aren't straight and you may need new ones.

I think the answer to this really depends on what point the calipers have been zeroed.

Whatever the point of contact is they meet when you zero them, is where you should measure your part.

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02/20/2009 2:25 PM

bettsd44 Sliding Vernier Calipers are a wonderful an very precise measuring instrument. The quality of these are proportional to price. A lot of these have a thumb wheel on top that regulates the amount of pressure that you apply if used correctly. Never apply more than light pressure to the jaws or you will not obtain repeatable accurate measurements. The jaws have three defined sections, the very top being undercut to allow you to reach past an edge that may not be true to the surface you wish to measure, you never measure in this undercut area. The next section has faces that are for doing most of your measuring, they are flat and the longest section of the jaws. You can use this area for round or flat surface areas with the same results. The bottom section is ground at an angel and used for measuring items like the shank or bottom of a thread or a grove for an o-ring. Things to keep in mind are, keep the Calipers square to the surface being measured, with light pressure applied let the calipers find their own squarness to the surface. For some measurements you may opt to hold the jaws and squeeze them against the surface to be measured but only with enough pressure to hold the jaws against the surface. If the cylinders you are measuring aren't true using the tapered area will give you precise measurements at the point of contact and the wide section will reflect the largest area within the thickness of the jaw. I would think on the item you are cheking you would have a tolerance of +/- an amount equal to you machines capabilities. Their are two more parts of a vernier Calipers that are very useful, on top of the slide are two angle ground tabs for measuring inside dimensions or between items and a probe that extends from the end for depth and height type measurements. With a little thought a person can find multiple ways of using each feature and if used correctly will obtain repeatable results when measured in different manors. Always check your calipers to assure the jaws close squarely with out appling pressure and measure an item like a feeler gauge or gauge block to check for suitability before using. There is much more I could add but I think this will get you headed in the right direction to obtain the results you require. J.Conway

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/20/2009 11:37 PM

The jaws should be parallel along the entire length of mating surfaces.

You should have calipers calibrated.

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02/21/2009 12:08 AM

bwire I have two pair of calipers, one pair purchased in 1970 & a digital pair purchased in 1987. Both have seen very heavy use and are as accurate today as the day purchased. Neither pair have a provision for adjusting, just quality workmanship & materials and always handled as they should be. I almost forgot my third pair, they are made of plastic and have a company logo on them for they were given away by the box full at a company picnic and believe it or not they are accurate and have no adjustment. J.Conway

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02/21/2009 6:11 AM

The flat part is used when measuring the outside of a cylinder, the sharp edges when measuring the inside, of a tube for example.....

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02/21/2009 6:42 AM

Andy you should look at a pair then correct your post, it comes off as outside in

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/22/2009 4:32 AM

It (my post) works fine with mine, perhaps you could be more clear?

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/21/2009 7:26 AM

the last shop I worked in as Quality Manager. We calibrated the majority of our measuring equip in house. We were ISO 9000 compliant. It takes a little work but is not that tough once you get a good plan in place.

And the response are correct. The nibs (ID measurements) and the jaws (OD measurements) should be calibrated. If the deviation from the flats of the jaws to the tips of the jaws is present as you suggest then the calipers should be sent out.

a few things:

1) an inexperienced tech may be applying to much pressure to the thumb wheel/ head of the tool. Practice against a NIST gage block/ring gage to get the right feel throughout the tool.

2) the use of micrometers may be desirable here.

3)measure at 3 points. roundness issues (ovality)

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/21/2009 9:03 AM

.Regarding calibrating a caliper using the long flat surfaces against your gauge block is correct. One thing to note is cleanliness of the faces when doing this. also after you zero the caliper say it is a 6" one you should check it with a 3" block to prove it is correct with a reasonable travel.You will note the block measuring faces have length & breadth, using the long face on the full length of the jaws should give the correct reading,then using the smaller breadth measure at the top & then the bottom of the jaws this should prove the jaws are parallel.

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/21/2009 10:05 PM

I like to setup on something similar to the test piece if possible. I'd use a gage pin of the nominal size to be measured if available to get "the feel" of it.

Gage blocks, balls, pins and rings or a combination there of can be used as a nominal reference for almost any geometry.

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/23/2009 9:08 AM

I always understood that the proper tool to measure a circular object was with a micrometer.

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02/23/2009 10:39 AM

My quality control manual requires I calibrate or check my measuring instruments once a year. On calipers, micrometers etc I have a set of gauge blocks and I do this myself. While calipers are good for ID/OD measurements I prefer micrometers for wall measurements of tubes or pipes. You should use the micrometers with a round anvil only to get an accurate measurement for walls of tubes/pipes. I invested In a UTT measuring instrument for wall thickness measurements a few years back and it is calibrated every time I use it via the same gauge blocks. I use this UTT instrument allot and it is very handy to check new tubes/pipes where you can see in the end of the item as well as for checking tubes/pipes that are in use in the field.

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Re: Measuring Tubes with Calipers

02/24/2009 3:28 PM

There are basically 4 main ways to use a Calpers to measure with. The following fotos will help in identifying these methods:-

There are 3 main uses of the two sets of jaws. The lower set have both a "sharpened area" at the bottom for measuring between teeth or threads for example. The upper part of this set can be used to measure the outside of a tube or rod for example, as shown here on the next picture:-

The top set of jaws can be used to measure the inside diameter of a tube for example, shown here:-

The fourth method that I know of using a set of Calipers, is using the thin extension that comes out of the other end, shown here:-

This can be used to measure depth through relatively small holes. Often you need to check the calibration and re-zero. My Calipers that you see in the fotos is in fact demonstrates a 0.01 mm difference. Not a lot, but it could be significant.....

I hope this helps.

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