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Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/07/2009 5:29 PM

Help! (please)

I have been struggling with a problem. I have searched and read extensively attempting to resolve it, but to no avail. I am hoping someone will be able to provide a good answer or at least point me in the right direction.

The problem is this.

In a Faraday generator, a disk made of a conductor spins in a magnetic field that runs parallel to the axis. slip rings or bushings create one electrical connection to the center of the disk and another connects to the outer diameter of the disk. With a multimeter attached at the contacts, when the disk reaches sufficient RPM, substantial amperage flows but relatively low voltage. The direction of flow is always such that the outside of the disk is negative and the inside is positive. If the direction of rotation is changed or if the magnetic field is reversed, the current still flows from the center to the outside of the disk. This hold true also when the disk is cut radially into segments.

If a single wire were rotated through a magnetic field with one end of the wire at the center of rotation and the other end at the widest path of the rotation, if a multimeter is attached, the direction of current changes is the magnetic field is reversed, or if the direction of rotation is reversed.

What is the critical difference between a wire and a disk (or a segment of a disk), that allows the Flemmings right hand rule for generators to apply in a wire, but alows current to flow from center to outside regardless of the direction of the field or rotation in a disk?

I'm looking forward to having my understanding upgraded.

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Re: Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/09/2009 4:56 AM

It's obvious! The (negatively charged) electrons are centrifuged to the outside.

No, not really. I look forward to hearing the true explanation.

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Re: Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/09/2009 6:17 AM

This is a simple case of 'Unipolar or Homopolar Generators' used in low voltage, high current applications

This was my project subject while I was at the final year of B.E. - which is a long back history.

If you are really interested in this subject and wish to study further, you can refer IE/IEEE journals (before 70's)

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Re: Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/09/2009 10:15 AM

Benbenben

Not Flemming nor Faraday.

Try Lorentz Force Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force_law

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Re: Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/09/2009 10:55 AM

Fascinating...Have you experimented to verify if the current flow really is reversed in the wire and that the current flows in the same direction if the disk is rotated in the opposite direction?

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Re: Faraday vs. Flemming?

03/09/2009 11:43 AM

Perhaps you've already read the Feynman explanation, which is at the bottom of this page. The reports of constant polarity, reversible polarity with rotation reversal, and rim vs center polarity seem inconsistent.

You have probably seen several of these simple homopolar motors, which I have played with (rapidly discharging several batteries) but which I nevertheless still don't fully understand, due to intellectual laziness and feeble-mindedness. I have convinced myself that these things work by magic, or more precisely, FM.

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03/10/2009 2:31 AM

I would like to thank all respondents and I would like to retract my question. The critical difference has been uncovered by the forum and it is not with the shape of the disk nor wires, but with my original flawed comprehension of the material.

I appreciate the help pinpointing the problem. I hope the next post I requires a true engineering solution, and not just a remedial reading comprehension on my part.

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03/10/2009 2:48 AM

Ben, Ben, Ben!

Its always good for one's character to face the music!!!

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