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What is the difference between followings?

03/14/2009 12:29 AM

what is the difference between followings?

1) tube and pipe. 2) plate and sheet. 3) rod and bar. 4) wire and rope.

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Re: What is the difference between followings?

03/14/2009 1:06 AM

1) Tube may be either round or square (rectangular) cross-section and is not pressure-rated; pipe is always round and intended to carry fluid.

2) Plate thickness is measured in inch fractions; sheet thickness is designated by gauge (at least in U.S.).

3) Rod is round; bar is square (rectangular).

4) Wire is a single strand, rope is stranded.

Exceptions exist to every convention.

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Re: What is the difference between followings?

03/14/2009 1:36 AM

paresh_career001 Its a Wide subject and it will be injustice with the subject if someone try to reply in few words, I think best option for this kind of question is just type word with the question mark on google and you can get an answer close to perfection.

For example type "tube?" ON google and you can find link------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube

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03/14/2009 3:15 AM

I will like to modify your suggestion.

1) Google difference plate sheet etc.

you will be surprised howmany answers are shown up.

2) Check CR4 threads the tube and pipe has been covered in detail at least 3-4 times recently/

Plate sheet - http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/18671

Tube pipe (only one of these) http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/11077

etc

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03/15/2009 1:11 AM

One thing that has always stuck in my mind regarding the difference between pipe and tube (besides the manner in which they are dimensioned) is that pipes are used to convey fluids, while the main function of tubes is to convey/transfer heat.

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03/15/2009 1:23 AM

One more difference I observed is tubes can be collapsible and closed ended, where as pipes are rigid in general with open ended, My own thought-----------

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03/15/2009 4:27 AM

We carry a lot of hydraulics through tubes.

As I mentioned in an earlier thread the tubes have high control on OD - whether for expansion (boiler tbes) or using fittings (Swagelok or other compression fittings)

Pipes are useually not having that close control on OD - since these are usied for normally welding/ threaded connections.

Of course we do have some special fittings for pipes, but are very uncommon, as far as I know.

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Re: What is the difference between followings?

03/15/2009 9:15 AM

1) tube and pipe.

JUst want to give you and idea. A tube is measured/specified by its outside diameter and wall thickness while a pipe is measured/specified by its mean diameter and schedule.

2) plate and sheet

In english measurement, a sheet when its thickness is less than or equal to 1/8" and plate when its thickness is more than 1/8". (as our "rule of thumb")

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Re: What is the difference between followings?

03/16/2009 2:36 AM

Hi....Paresh,

Technically a tube or pipe is the ratio of the diameter to it's length. Incase the length is infinite you could continue to call it a tube e.g. the underground railway is called a tube because of it's long length.

Similarly very large sizes of flat products in a steel mill say in the continues casting section are addressed as sheets. They can call a 10mm thick plate a sheet because the lenght could be 50 or 100 meters long!!!

-- ditto --- for wires & ropes.

These are silly questions. Just try telling me difference between a screw & a bolt.

Anil Tiwari / Delhi.

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03/16/2009 9:07 AM

thanks for reply

here is about ur question...hope i have tried for it.

From the Machinery's Handbook, 25th ed.:

"A bolt is an externally threaded fastener designed for insertion through holes...and is normally inteded to be tightened or released by torquing a nut. A screw is an externally threaded fastener capable of being inserted into holes... with a preformed internal thread or forming its own thread and of being tightened or realeased by torquing the head".

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03/16/2009 2:49 AM

Pipe specifications

1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole surrounded by metal or plastic
centred around the hole.


2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length - do not use holes
of different length to the pipe.


3. The ID (Inside Diameter) of all pipe must not exceed the OD (Outside
Diameter) - otherwise the hole will be on the outside.


4. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole, so that water, steam
or other stuff can be put inside at a later date.


5. All pipe should be supplied without rust; this can be more readily applied
at the job site.
NOTE: Some vendors are now able to supply pre-rusted pipes. If available
in your area, this product is recommended, as it will save a great deal of
time at the job site.


6. All pipe over 500ft (150m) in length should have the words "LONG PIPE"
clearly painted on each side and end, so that the contractor knows it's a
long pipe.


7. Pipe over 2 miles (3.2km) in length must also have the words "LONG PIPE"
painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire
length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe or a
short pipe.


8. All pipe over 6ft (1.83m) in diameter must have the words "LARGE PIPE"
painted on it, so the contractor will not mistake it for small pipe.


9. Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts,
quite separate from the big hole in the middle.


10. When ordering 90 or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify left-hand or
righ-hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way.


11. Be sure to specify to your vendor whether you want level, uphill or
downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipes for going uphill, the water
will flow the wrong way.


12. All couplings should have either right-hand or left-hand threads, but do
not mix the threads otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one
pipe, it is being unscrewed fron the other.


13. All pipes shorter than 1/8in (3mm) are very uneconomical in use, requiring
many joints. They are genreally known as washers.


14. Joints in pipes for piping water must be water-tight. Those in pipes for
compressed air, however, need only be air-tight.


15. Lengths of pipes may be welded or soldered together. This method is not
recommended for concrete or earthenware pipes.


16. Other commodities are often confused with pipes. These include: conduit,
tube, tunnel and drain. Use only genuine pipes.

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Re: What is the difference between followings?

03/16/2009 8:41 PM

Don't forget to include a dictionary with your order of pipes/tubes. Some contractors don't know the difference between hole and whole, two and to or too, read,read and red, break and brake, where and wear, sea and see, bored and board, just to name a few.

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03/21/2009 10:58 AM

Thats hysterical ....... I'm gonna give a copy of that to the guys in the pipe shop.

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03/16/2009 10:26 AM

Round tube generally doesn't have a weld seam running down the length of it that you can feel with your finger and it has accurate outside and inside diameters.

Pipe generally has a seam and there is a great deal of tolerance allowed for wall thickness making it's inside diameter slightly larger then the size called out. For example the ID of a 1-1/2" Sch 40 pipe might measure as much as 1-9/16.

Sheet is identified by Gauge and Plate is identified by a fractional denomination. For example 7 Gauge Sheet, 3/16" Plate.

We've always referred raw round solid material as round bar. I think a rod refers to material that is a certain length and has a more accurate dimension then round bar.

Wire consists of a single strand or a few strands that aren't braided. Wire that has been braided together for the purpose of tying things up is wire rope, which consists of many strands for their collective strength.

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03/16/2009 11:32 AM

thank you very much for the answer ........it is quite related to what i want....

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03/16/2009 12:52 PM

ERW is permitted procedure for both pipes and tubes.

Seamless - pipes and tubes both are available.

1" Schedule 80 ID is 0.957" and 160 is 0.815

Plate and Sheet are based on thickness as mentioned earlier (of course gauge is OK)

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03/17/2009 12:13 PM

Terminology is always never ending discussion.

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03/17/2009 12:44 PM

In fact the only confusion possible is pipe and tube, There is a long thread on this subject.

The OP being a student (and that too he is designing ASME pressure vessels at least as per his earlier threads) is supposed to know this difference.

And you have in #1 and me in #2 already suggested to search out the things. However he seems to be more intereseted in being spoon fed.

In fact he is smart enough to find the difference between bolt and screw (at least partially) but others are much easier and he is not willing.

I only commented above so that he is not guided by the previous posts and still search.

I have earlier also commented. A student, of mechanical engineering has to know some basics, we are there to clarify, but not too much on theoritical aspects (at least I am not capable - though some are possibly) but in broad terms can correct the basic mistakes.

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