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How to Calculate Deflection

03/16/2009 5:42 PM

I am trying to calculate the deflection for a cantilevered rectangular aluminum tube fixed at the "left" end, and supported somewhere in the middle by a single large diameter support pin through the center, the load being to the "right" of the support pin. The problem is the pin diameter is 1/3 the height of the rectangular tube, and I have not been able to figure out the moment of inertia or the loss of strength due to this loss of material. I'd like to get the derivation if possible. As for numbers, the rectangular tube is 2"W3"H with 1/8" wall thickness, the support pin diameter is 1", the fixed end is 63" to the left of the support pin and the load of 121lbs is 17" to the right of the support pin.

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Re: Deflection of rectangular tube with large hole at support point

03/16/2009 5:56 PM

Sounds like homework.

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03/17/2009 6:58 AM

yet 2 guru's are fighting

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03/16/2009 6:08 PM

Weld a plate over the hole position either side before drilling it, and then ignore the hole.
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03/17/2009 9:51 AM

In this case I can't because the support pin needs to be removable, otherwise it's a good idea.

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03/17/2009 10:18 AM

Don't weld the pin, just reinforce around the hole....
Or maybe we are just at cross purposes?

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03/16/2009 7:46 PM

The reduced moment of inertia at the center of hole is:

Ir = Itube - Ih

where Ih = 2*t*h3/12 = moment of inertia of the hole through both walls.

t = wall thickness

h = height of hole

The moment of inertia is variable across the width of pin because the height of hole varies from 1" to 0". This variation makes deflection calculations more difficult, so you may want to make some reasonable assumption as to the variation of 'I' over that short distance. In practice, it would probably be ignored and the moment of inertia would be taken as constant over the entire length of beam.

The loss of strength at the middle of the pin is the plastic moment capacity of the removed material or 2*Fy*t*h2/4 where Fy is the yield strength of the material.

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03/16/2009 8:33 PM

WRONG you can sum or deduct ONLY moments of inertia but not the W (resistance )! The loss in this case is less than what you wrote. Rethink it.

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03/16/2009 9:01 PM

Sorry nickname, but you are the one who is wrong! You rethink it!

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03/17/2009 12:08 PM

If you consider the Sy for the middle you should do the samefor the rest of the section. In fact your equations are partly for the elastic domain and partly for the plastic. Or am I wrong? If yes please explain where. Use equations I can undestand and accepot them.

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03/17/2009 1:09 PM

I have not considered Sy at all. I considered the elastic domain in determining I, moment of inertia because I assume deflections will be determined under elastic conditions.

For strength calculations, I considered the plastic modulus of the total section, diminished by the plastic modulus of the material removed.

Hope that clears it up for you.

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03/17/2009 11:01 AM

Fred,

The loss in strength is quite small. The strength or plastic moment of a rectangular tube may be expressed as Z*Fy where Z is the plastic modulus of the tube and Fy is the yield strength of the material.

Approximating the shape to a rectangular ring, i.e. ignoring the rounded corners, Z = 1/4(2*32 - 1.75*2.752) = 1.191 in3.

The reduction in plastic modulus for a 1" dia. hole is 1/4(2*1/8*12) = 0.0625 in3. This reduces Z to 1.129 in3 or a reduction of about 5%. The strength is reduced by the same percentage.

In the Canadian code (other codes may be different), we use a resistance factor, Φ to account for uncertainty in predicting member resistance. In the case of bending, Φ is taken as 0.9 so that the strength of tube without hole is 0.9*Fy*1.191 and the strength of tube with hole is 0.9*Fy*1.129, or approximately 95% of the strength of the tube.

The actual Z taken from CISC Handbook of Steel Construction for a 76 x 51 x 3.2 HSS (3" x 2" x1/8" HSS) is 17000 mm3 or 1.037 in3. The reduced Z, accounting for the hole is (1.037 - 0.0625) = 0.975, a reduction of about 6.4% from the shape without a hole. Strength is reduced in the same proportion.

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03/17/2009 12:57 PM

Thanks Bruce! I'm still trying to get over how relatively small the loss in strength is considering that 1/3 of the sidewall material on each side is gone. Supposing the hole was enlargened to the maximum such that there are essentially two horizontal strips of metal left (looking into the tube) above and below the hole, then the moment of inertia is:

Iresultant = Isolid - Iinside - Ihole

Iresultant = (2*3^3)/12 -(1.75*2.75^3)/12 - (0.125*2.75^3)/6

Iresultant = 4.5 - 3.033 -0.433 = 1.034 in^4.

Now if the moment of inertia is calculated for just two apparent horizontal strips above and below the hole, we get:

Iresultant = 2*0.125^3/6 = 0.000651 in^4 which is very small compared to the 1.034 in^4. Why does this not jive? (Sorry, my background is electrical engineering!).

Thanks for all the discussion so far, it's very enlightening.

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03/17/2009 1:42 PM

Fred,

If the sidewalls are removed completely, leaving only a strip of 2" x 1/8" top and bottom, the resulting moment of inertia may be determined in a couple of ways.

1) I = (2*33 - 2*2.753)/12 = 1.033854 in4.

2) I = 2(2*0.1253)/12 + 2*0.125*{(3-0.125)/2}2

= 0.000651 + 1.033203 = 1.033854 in4.

I do not usually carry out calculations to such precision, but you can see that the two methods agree precisely.

The first method simply considers a rectangle of 2 x 3 and subtracts a rectangle of 2 x 2.75 . No correction has to be made because both rectangles are centered on the neutral axis.

The first term in the second method results in a quantity so small, it is usually ignored. But the expression I = t*h3/12 is valid for the moment of inertia of a rectangle about its centroid. If you want its moment of inertia about some other point, you must add the term A*d2. In this case, the centroids of the two plates are separated by a distance 3-0.125 = 2.875" so each plate is 1.4375" from the neutral axis.

Hope this clears it up for you.

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03/17/2009 1:57 PM

Thanks so much Bruce! Nothing like exploring a real problem. Yes, that's the missing part which explains the difference between two separate strips and a pair connected as a structure. Thanks again!

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03/18/2009 12:35 AM

Have you modelled the problem in any CAD package and analyse? The model will give you exact result (MI, Deflection etc.).

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03/18/2009 9:36 AM

No, we don't have any modelling software. It is not worthwhile for us to invest in this considering the high costs for the occasional use. Also, my background is electrical engineering so I don't feel I would know enough to use any modeller properly, and there is comfort in understanding something from basic principles. This forum seems to work quite well.

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03/18/2009 2:07 PM

The deflection depends on the art the beam is fixed at the left end. You can neglect the effect of the holes for the deflection and use the inertia of the full section. Assuming that at left end the beam can rotate in its "bearing" the deflection at the right end will be about 0.06" for the load you gave. If the rotating freedom at the left end is limited the deflection at right end will be less than above given figure. The effect represents a loss of only about 1.5%. As long as you stay in the elastic domain the effect of the holes is totally neglectable for the loading capability of the beam.

I hope I have not a computing error since I am less accustomed to deal with inches and lbs. If there is any I shall be glad to have the correct value.

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03/18/2009 2:21 PM

nick name,

You are quite right. The moment at the fixed end is exactly half of the moment at the pin support. Mpin = 121*17 = 2057"#. Mfixed = 1028.5"# (both moments clockwise). I agree that the effect of the hole on deflection is negligible, but I thought Fred was interested in the method of calculating it so that he might apply it to other situations.

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