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Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/25/2009 6:33 PM

Hello Everyone,

A facility that I'm working is suffering from severe problems due to voltage unbalance and voltage sags from the utility supply.

The supply to the facility is (or supposed to be) 3 phase 480 VAC, the voltage dips to below 410 VAC at sometimes and there is unbalance of 30 VAC on a frequent basis. I have been asked to come up with some suggestions as to how we can combat this problem, the utility company is not very eager to do anything. This problems is wreaking havoc with or motors.

I was thinking about looking at some kind of transformer with automatic voltage regulation to maintain 480 VAC on the secondary. Can anyone provide some suggestions/guidance as to the possible solutions.

Thanks.

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Re: Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/25/2009 7:33 PM

Maybe something like this may help.

http://www.controleng.com/article/CA509802.html

Also Google for Regulators.

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03/25/2009 7:55 PM

Have you checked YOUR factory supply to ensure that your phases are balanced. You really would be surprised at how many people think its a good idea to put all of the office single phase air conditioning and lighting on one phase instead of spreading it over the three.

Have a look at moving your high current single phase loads to another phase (after performing a power quality study of your factory of course). It may be enough and is about as simple an option as you can get.

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03/25/2009 9:13 PM

Have you checked YOUR factory supply...

Agree, we once had a project engineer who worked fast. He put up new buildings or sections in record time. After a time, the electrical department began seeing imbalances in the system and investigated. This speedy engineer had tapped electricity in a haphazard way, putting loads in the most convenient (for him) way. Our factory's engineering head once commented, "his hands are faster than his mind".

Today, any project has to clear their electrical systems with the electrical department before the project is implemented. Projects are a little slower but safer.

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03/26/2009 12:05 AM

I agree with both of you. You can't (well you 2 probably could), imagine what the imbalance on L1 is, in most plants I have been in for the last 30+ years.

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Re: Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/25/2009 9:50 PM

ABB may can help you (varene, montreal) It"s call a clycloconverter. You take your voltage, pull it down and remodule it to the voltage no need. It"s a lot of troubles but depand of what of industruie your working for, that a solutions. MOTOROLA is the one you devellope the concept, Look that way>

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Re: Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/25/2009 10:13 PM

Where are you?

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Re: Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/27/2009 9:34 AM

There r many good solutions. U first need to havea couple of blanks filled in.

What is the amperes max. load.What is the highest loads ?resistive/inductive?

A squirrel cage motor can help. A auto capacitor bank can help.The list goes on but we need to know the loads.What are the cable sizes?

Well get back & we can do some math 4 u.Where do u live?

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Re: Battling Voltage Fluctuations

03/27/2009 10:39 AM

Hi,

You will find that a VSD (variable speed drive) unit will overcome this effect as it will maintain the output over an input variation of up to 15%. You will find also that the application of the VSD will also improve the power factor to the individual drives enablig them to function more efficiently and probably enabling you to set the exact speed that the machine needs to operate at. You will therefore be able to recover the cost of the VSD installation( payback will be a function of hours runX energy saved)., also overcoming the effects of the sagging voltage. Look at Toshiba/ Danfoss/ Honeywell GE web sites for detailed info.

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03/27/2009 2:25 PM

Before you spend any money on equipment to "fix" a problem may I suggest running a power analyzer with data logging for a week or two. Brand names such a Dranatz and Fluke offer suitable equipment. In a past career I worked as an engineering tech for a power utility company. My job was to respond to complaints from users. We rented Dranatz datalogger/ analyzers as needed. Quite often we discovered the real cause of problems to be something other than what customers own engineering people "thought" was the problem. A brand new hotel complex was built and I found out they had sophisticated data logging of their own. On more than one occasion I correlated their data with our own SCADA system data to pinpoint fault origin that knocked out the whole area.

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03/27/2009 6:55 PM

Are you in the US? You may want to have an infrared inspection done. Infrared helped us find issues with our system. The guy we use is really good. www.steponesolutionsllc.com

you can email me for his direct number cbiele11@yahoo.com

Chris

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03/28/2009 8:38 AM

Hi Guys,

The real problem is the supply, we have had the opportunity to isolate the entire facility from the utility supply and measure what is coming into the facility with absolutely no loads, the sags and unbalance are from the utility.

The VSD will help by only providing the energy required for the required load at any point in time, however these motors are run continuously at approximately 80 to 90 percent of rated capacity (this is what I'm told from site personnel), there are some applications where the implementation of a VSD is not practical and then there is the rest of the facility.

For me the real solution is for the utility to sort our their problems but this will not happen so the next best thing is for the customer to implement a solution at the point of entry/connection of the utility in order to protect their facility. I believe the solution lies with a transformer and maybe capacitors but I need some details or to be guided in the right direction.

Thanks again.

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