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Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

03/31/2009 10:11 PM

Dear All Electrical Gurus,

While i was a electrical contractor sometime ago,i had seen an 'abnormal' installation of power factor improvement in a Palm oil kernel crashing plant.As i asked the owner the reason of many capacitors is to reduce loading current during full machines running and also reduce the Max.Demand (our country is 30min interval)

In the kernel crashing plant they have 60 units (2sets x 30 units)of machine which is driven by 75kw 6P 415V 50Hz motor with AT starter panel and EACH install with 50Kvar pf improve capacitor at the Main contactor , Which is feed from 2 sets of 2500Kva transformer to 2 set of Main distribution 4000A , loaded with 3000A due to some machines were in maintenace etc, Each main distribution was installed also with 50Kvar x 12 steps PF capicator with automatic pf controller.

I also noticed another 'abnomal' event , i check some of the motor (new) while start and running at '200A' without load and tripped TOL(dismantle the V-Belt to gearbox) but after start others machines which at the same main switch board and i start again the '200A' motor without load and the running current 35A without load. (The same new motor)

One day the one of the 2500Kva outgoing cables were short to ground ,we pull out all the cable and found cable insulation was harden and crack.

May i know is it of the 'over capacitance' and caused the transformer out going cable insulation failured ? or caused by overloading during the full production running.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/02/2009 8:13 AM

I don't think that the capacitors caused the problem. They merely keep the power in phase as to voltage and current. That would be necessary in a plant that has many motors running. If anything the capacitors would help to reduce load on the wires. Motors tend to cause the voltage and current to be out of phase with each other that makes the power meters used by the electrical company to under report the usage, actually you get more power for less cost. The capacitors only bring the power back into phase. In an area where there were a lot of motors running if no one used capacitors then the line power would be very much out of unity causing overheating of the inductive loads such as motors.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/02/2009 8:48 AM

Dear Aikhh,

Electrical installations with power factor correction capacitors installed cannot be treated as simple as you described.

Sizing the capacitors is critical. The sizes must be chosen such that it does not create a resonant condition which will increase the current in the cable beyond its limits. This will cause heating , hardening of insulation and eventual failure.

Secondly, you must ensure that there are no harmonics on the power system.This can be verified with a power quality meter.Sometimes the harmonics are not just the 3rd . If you have variable frequency drives or other thyristor controlled equipment (which distorts the sine wave) on the plant , this can create harmonics all the way up to the 11th and 13th times the power frequency.You may even have harmonics present which are generated by neighbouring plants.

Power factor correction application cannot be treated as simply adding capacitor to remove the lagging volt-ampere reactive . Correcting to unity is a bad idea if the capacitors are always in parallel to the motor. Since during motor coastdown, there is a residual voltage generated in the motor which will decrease in frequency with the possibility of a resonant condition which will increase the current significantly.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/02/2009 11:48 AM

OVERCAPACITANCE WOULD NOT EASILY OVERLOAD YOUR LINE AS REPORTED UNLESS THE DEGREE OF EXCESS WAS THAT MUCH. THEREFORE OVERLOADING WAS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF YOUR OVERLOADING. OR NOT EFFECTIVE LUGGING I.E. LOOSE CONNECTION. ALSO ENSURE THAT YOUR CAPACITOR BANKS WERE CONNECTED TO LOAD/LINE IN PARALLEL.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/03/2009 3:36 AM

I don't think, "over capacitance" is the problem for insulation failure, as u are using automatic power factor controller. Over loading may be the reason, also check the cable size.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/09/2009 6:20 AM

Dear spghadei,

If 75kw motor is connected parallel with 50Kvar, i am sure it is 'over capacitance' . I am not really good in precious capacitance value,normally i will use the thumb rule by kw x 0.25 .Please advise me if i am wrong.

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04/09/2009 8:14 AM

50KVAR looks to be approximately OK

Assuming that the motor is at 0.85 pf (most common)

the reactive power = √ (1-0.852) { sinΦ = √(1-cos2Φ)}

this comes out to be approx 0.53

Also if you see from the other angle,

75KW at 0.85 pf means the total KVA = 75/0.85 = 88.235

The KVAactive = 75

so KVAr = √(88.2352 - 752) = 46.48 KVA

In fact the reactive power is what we call the tanδ component = 0.53/0.85 = 0.62*KW

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/09/2009 7:58 PM

Dear Guru sb,

Thank you very much and best regards

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/10/2009 3:52 AM

Dear aikhh and sb,

i think 50 kvar for 75 kw motor is not the right selection.

75 kw motor 6 pole – At full load pf is around 0.86

Cosθ1 = 0.86 (initial)

e.g. if we have to improve the power factor to 0.95

Cosθ1 = 0.86

θ1 = Cos-1 ( 0.86 ) = 30.68

Cosθ2 = 0.95

Θ2 = Cos-1 ( 0.95 ) = 18.19

Tan θ1 – Tan θ2 = 0.593 –0.328

= 0.265

KVAR required = Kw x 0.265

= 75 x 0.265

= 19.87 KVAR

REQUIRED Capacitor Specification should be 20 KVar.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/10/2009 5:48 AM

Dear spghadei,

Thank you very much.

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Re: Over-Capacitance and Electrical Power Systems

04/10/2009 10:12 PM

You have teken the second Φ2 as pf=0.95 where as my calculation was based on expected full compensation. that's why the difference has come. Put pf2=1 and you will get the value as mentioned. .

The bank capacitors might have been designed to near unity compensation and not to 0.95.

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