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LPG system

04/05/2009 12:42 PM

Hello.

I currently own a 1997 daihatsu sportrak petrol that has been converted to run on lpg with a lovato system. Being a mechanical engineer I´m eager to learn about how it all works and the layout of the system.

Does anyone know of any good websites that have technical diagrams etc. Thanks Andy

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Re: LPG system

04/05/2009 2:19 PM

just googled "lpg system" and got several pages. here is one example from www.difflock.com :

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Various Systems

THE BASIC VEHICLE LAYOUT:

LPG systems are generally designed to run on Petrol engines but have varying degrees of sophistication:

1st generation
Venturi, open loop systems (no lambda control) with no electronic controls. Generally only installed on simple carburettor engines. System fully adjustable by installer.

2nd generation
Single point, analogue lambda controlled systems used on 3-way catalytic vehicles. Adjustable at idle.

3rd generation
Single or multi-point injection, microprocessor controlled with closed loop, emission compliant systems. Have self-learning capability but not adjustable by installer. Basic on-board diagnostic fault code storage.

4th generation
Multi-point, sequential injection system, microprocessor
controlled closed loop emission compliant. Not adjustable.
Does not interfere with EOBD system

5th generation
Multi-point, sequential injection system, microprocessor controlled closed loop emission compliant. Not adjustable. Will integrate with vehicle EOBD systems.

Euro 3
The introduction of Euro3 engine regulations on 1st January 2001 required vehicle manufacturers to meet significantly higher emission and on-board diagnostic standards.

As a result of changes made to 2001 engine systems most of the 3rd Generation LPG systems cannot be installed. This is because the LPG software is specifically written for each engine and vehicle model and it takes several months to modify the programme.

Sequential SGi
A new generation of Sequential Gas Injection (SGi) systems are being developed to overcome this problem. SGi is a new concept that 'reads' the data sent to each petrol injector and uses this information to control the LPG injectors. Effectively the petrol engine management system is controlling the LPG via a computer interface that translates the raw data to compensate for the different characteristics between LPG and Petrol.

Although SGi systems still need to be tailored for each vehicle and engine the development time is considerably shorter and units are already available for some Renault, Peugeot and Citroen vehicles.

PowerGas SGi
PowerGas provides a radical new approach that overcomes the problem of having to develop a new LPG system for each vehicle. Using adaptive software developed for motor racing applications the PowerGas system builds up the LPG programme by 'reading' the Petrol engine map. This results in the best possible driveability and engine response on LPG.

Although it can be installed on most modern vehicles PowerGas is particularly suitable for large engine, low volume, vehicles (BMW, Mercedes, 4x4's etc) that have not had standard LPG systems developed.

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Re: LPG system

04/05/2009 7:51 PM

Not long ago, I came across a project on the www.instructables.com site describing a hack to a small gasoline powered generator to convert it to LPG. This was NOT a scientific approach, but the details of the modifications done to the carb were very good, and some insight can be gained by studying this do-it-yourself project.

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Re: LPG system

04/06/2009 10:47 AM

On small engines you can "spud" in to the carburetter with a Venturi tube this is fed by a standard type domestic regulator and being a small engine it can draw gas from a standard 20LB LPG tank without the need for liquid evaporation.

This is also used on small standby generators and if you tap into natural gas it is a lot cheaper than petrol.

Actually it has given me an idea to have a go with my generator a good project.

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