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Rewinding and Reusing Fire-Damaged Motors

04/06/2009 12:20 PM

Hello!

Our factory had to face to an unfortunated incident due to a fire.

So about 8 motors has been dammaged due to fire ( Aprox. 600 C I guess). I want to know, Is it ok,if I rewind them, because high heat can de grade magnetising proformences on the motor.

If can't use them with it's rated capacity after rewind, we have to get new motors.

Pleas advice !

Thank you !

Jananjaya

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Re: Can a burnt Motor use after rewind ?

04/06/2009 12:57 PM

The heat is more likely to melt the coating on the wires causing small shorts and effectively reducing the number of turns. It may also have destroyed any other electronic components such as capacitors, diodes, etc. Be aware that if the heat was hot enough, it probably warped the armature, and dried up the bearings.

Rewinding can certainly be done, and used to be the standard for any large motor. About 20 years ago the price of rewinding became close to the price of a new motor. There is still some companies that will rewind them.

Do your homework first, Get a quote first and compare it with the cost of a new one. sometimes the new motor warranty will out-way the small difference in cost.

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Re: Rewinding and Reusing Fire-Damaged Motors

04/06/2009 4:40 PM

The motor's interlaminar insulation, the coating that exists between the steel laminations of the core, must never see greater than 750 degrees F, which is about 400 deg. C. If your fire truly reached 600C, you cannot re-use those motors. They are now scrap metal.

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Re: Rewinding and Reusing Fire-Damaged Motors

04/06/2009 10:48 PM

I'd also wonder about warpage and distortion of the frame and bowing of the shaft. The bearing housings may also be out of spec. You would probably be better off buying used rather than attempting repairs. Edmund

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Re: Rewinding and Reusing Fire-Damaged Motors

04/07/2009 12:30 AM

Jacojan,

Sorry to hear about your fire loss. I hope your factory can recover. Modern motor shops use temperature-controlled burn-out ovens to remove the varnish from the windings so they can be stripped out in order to do a rewind of the motor. This temperature control is critical to maintaining the magnetic properties of the steel, as another person has said. Depending on the size of the motors and the duration of the fire, it is quite possible that the motor temperatures may not have exceeded the safe temperature for a successful rewind.

I suggest that you take a representative motor to a reputable rewind shop (I have no idea where you are) so I can't suggest how to locate one near you. In the USA the good shops are almost always members of EASA, their trade association. After the rewind, they can put the motor on a dynamometer and check its performance at full load, to see if it has any problems from localized heating or lowered efficiency. Choose a shop that can give you certified results.

If the shop personnel tell you to replace the motor(s), their reasons should be listened to. The last time I worked in a rewind shop, buying a new motor was almost always recommended for smaller ones (less than 10-Hp), unless they were of an unusual design. For larger ones, rewinds are usually cost-effective, and sometimes are also quicker than buying new motors.

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Re: Rewinding and Reusing Fire-Damaged Motors

04/07/2009 3:10 AM

It's not worth the effort. Scrap them and replace them using the insurance claim.

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Re: Rewinding scrap metal ~

04/07/2009 9:33 AM

As indicated elsewhere, not knowing where you are located, extent of insurance coverage, etc, one is limited in offering a *best* course of action. However; from my own, personal EASA shop rewinding days : IF the cores are still usable [[and there is a test that is easily run, using test loops of welding-lead cable through the stripped-out core to check for "hot-spots"]] then a rewind can be even better than a factory winding job.

The size of the motors (as well as availability of direct replacements) usually guides the decision making process. Rewinds used to be priced at around 3/4 the cost of new... and, if the slot insulation and wire class are being upgraded from factory, you would be well advised to rewind (again, assuming the cores are salvageable).

A reputable shop should offer to do the testing for a small fee (saving and selling your old copper as well), and sell you only what you need ; i.e., "Rewind THESE, and let's replace these others..."

Best Wishes ~

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