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Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/08/2009 12:04 AM

I want to understand why electrical isolation is required between the signal transmitted to DCS and PLC. What happens if there is no isolation?

How does the isolator function? And how should the isolator be connected?

Will the signal from the transmitter be sent to isolator and it will generate multiple outputs to dcs and plc? Or will it be sent to one system directly and sent to other one through the isolator?

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Re: Why do we need isolation between a signal given to DCS and PLC?

04/08/2009 2:25 AM

Hi there,

You are going to have to give a bit more information.

Based on the fact that you have a DCS and a PLC - I will assume (make an ass out of you and me!) that your DCS is used for process control and the PLC as an ESD.

This configuration is common with petro-chem. It would also indicate that your plant is zoned i.e. a hazardous area.

Now, because it seems as if you have a hazardous enviroment i.e. Intrinsic Safety has to be taken into account.

So why do you have an isolator/barrier - So that you can use your electronic equipment safely in explosive atmospheres.

In this case - you want to limit the amount of energy/power that will be passing through to the hazardous area. You need to limit this energy to below the threshold that could cause an explosion. To do this - you use a barrier/isolator. Your trasnmitter wires can make little sparks if you disconnect/connect them. If you did not use an isolator/barrier - those sparks might have enough energy to ignite any potential hazardous gas and cause a fire explosion.

How does a barrier/isolator work - this depends on the make/type. Here you need to refer to the specific manufacturer on how it works and how to connect it. It could be galvanic or optocoupler or zener - RTFM (read the f#cking manual)

I have never seen an isolator with multiple outputs. As a rule of thumb - one signal = one isolator. Simply put the flow would be - transmitter -> Isolator -> DCS (or PLC)

What happens if there is no isolation or someone tampers with the integrity of an intrinsic safe loop - potentially BANG! DEAD PEOPLE! HOLE IN THE GROUND WHERE THE PLANT USED TO BE! PRISON SENTENCE!

For more information have a google search on intrinsic safety. You can also look for ExM and encapsulation as they are other protection methods used in hazardous areas.

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Craig

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Re: Why do we need isolation between a signal given to DCS and PLC?

04/08/2009 3:16 AM

If all else fails, read the instructions.

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/09/2009 12:42 AM

Hi Saranya,

Electrical isolation is to prevent any loss in signal due to high voltage interference. The signal that is to be transmitted to DCS / PLC should be noise less.

The isolator can be of opto coupling type.

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/09/2009 12:56 AM

Hi SG, Good answer from Craig. You can use P&F's following device: http://www.pepperlfuchs.com/products/product.jsp?product_id=18381 MODEL : KFD2-STC4-EX1.2O This will act as an isolator for field transmitter and provides two isolated 4-20mA outputs for DCS and PLC. We are using this device at our fertilizer plant. This type of device is also available in product range of MTL.

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/09/2009 9:42 AM

This is a guess, but it could be that the DCS and PLC are both trying to power the loop, therefore you need an isolator between the two. When you say isolator, you are talking about an analog signal (right?) and in my experience they are fairly simple to wire up. It is only 2 inputs (+ and -) and 2 outputs (+ and -). The isolator breaks the electrical current between the two circuits, in a optic isolator by turning the signal into light and then back into electrical current.

Keep in mind that all my electrical knowledge comes from beating my head against the wall at 2 AM in a plant trying to get something running so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/10/2009 4:07 AM

Hi Saranya

If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to ask why would we require to use an isolator the DCS or PLC from the signal transmitted to it from the field. In this i do believe you are talking about the analouge signals though. In any automated plant with ACS or DCS systems we require to keep these signals clean when we provide the input to the DCS or PLC as any interferebce or noise on these signals which it can pickup invariably due to various reasonsa and some sesitive field devices could prove very problamatic in either analyzing the data for you will see more than what is actually happening and you wont understand why the machine or equipment is behaving in a certain way. and hence these are required.Then there are always the isolations that you would do to insure that the picking up of a mchine that would parallaley create some other ripples in some signals elsewhere. Due to poor grouding standards ..

I Hope i have understood the question right though,

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/14/2009 1:19 AM

Hi all,

In this case he is refering to a galvanic/opto isolator. This is used for intrinsic safety. You can also use a zener barrier. The determination of which to use depends on your earthing as well the length of the loop.

The other type of "isolator" (this is not the correct term in my opinion) is the signal isolator, better known as the signal converter. This is used where the card powers the loop and the transmitter powers the loop. If you do not use a signal converter here - you will find your channels being pulled to ground.

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Craig

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Re: Electrical Isolation Between DCS and PLC

04/14/2009 9:31 AM

Ahh, that is my confusion on this. I hope the OP writes back...

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