New Super Efficient Turbine

I'm sorry, but I have difficulty believing anyone whose spelling is so bad can possibly know enough physics and machine design to produce a more efficient turbine! Don't all turbines have essentially one moving part ( the rotor)?

Sorry spelling has never worked for me. I guess that if a person can not spell they are not able to do anything of importance.

Well, I don't doubt that you can do something of importance in spite of your communication problems. But surely you know that perpetual motion/infinite energy scams have worn us out, and have made us look at claims like yours with jaundiced eyes.

But sure; let us know what you've got. I'll not let suspicion dampen my curiosity.

Perhaps I need to apologize a little for being so harsh. I'm a terrible typist and have dyslexia myself, but I proofread everything I write at least once, and commonly use spell checking (copy from CR4 and paste into your favorite word processor to check before submitting).

To me, accurate communication of ideas requires correct use of the language. Note how difficult it is to understand operating manuals or assembly instructions that were originally written in another language and then were translated by someone without a full command of English.

Your spelling is fine...better than average; and who's to complain about a single typo? Except, perhaps, someone hanging around Hang Town where...what else is there for a poor fellow to do? So no need to apologize. From Calif., the golden land of mangled metaphors.

Congratulations on either knowing or finding out the old nickname for Placerville (here it is considered a single word: Hangtown). I spend nearly all of my time at the computer designing machines (and a small amount in this forum) or out in the shop building them, so I have almost no idea what there is or is not to do in town. The same is true when I'm in San Diego roughly every other week.

I think Mark Twain/ Samuel Clemmons had a word or two to say about spelling and imagination. Perhaps your thoughts should be on the ability to understand and view the world from a different perspective and accomplish more than disillusionment. Ask some pertinent questions.

Dont be discouraged by the spelling guy. Anybody who botherz to mention nonstandard spelling must also believe a CDrom iz smarter than he iz.

I'd be interested in working with you. My rates are flexible and I will consider percentage dealz if I believe your invention haz enuff potential.

Take a look at zolinvent.com. Click on the fone number to email or just call

Turbine guy,

fire it up, it seems like your just teasing us.

You have the floor, so speak, link, tell us more

& Z-man always entertaining, I try-ed to go w/the spelling thing....

Just not ready to learn a new format

Your site is quite interesting

I'll get back to you

I have tons of ideas, the occasional good 1

usually the good 1's are improvements on things that get under my skin, or just plain frustrate me

Kool, Garthh.

It is a great invention. I am working in the field.Please can you give some little explanationsfor:

1- Your efficiency calculations,

2-How it can convert latent heat- do you use heat exchanger? or what?Is it a gas turbine?

3- What kinds of fluids can be used? water? oil? and what is the best fluid denisity?

4- What is the working speed of this turbine?

5-What are the materials you are using?

6- What is the estimated rated power you recieve from your protorype?

7- What is the value of minimum pressure of the fluid to overcome static friction?

Kidly, let me know and I can help,,,,,,,,

If you show us "minimum specifications" turbine, as: inlet, outlet pressures and temperatures, flow mass and kinds of work fluids, efficiency, rated power, rotation, material turbine, we will realize what we can do with your invent. Please, send us technical data about your turbine. Spelling about thermal machines don´t say enough about it. For instance, do you know a kind of fluid pumb called here, in chain chemical factories by "positive displace pump" ? As you can see, it´s just spelling also. Sorry, we don´t know how this pumb is called in your country.

Well, that was some response. We all have our weaknesses. I did not let my spelling stop me from teaching at a University or passing 12 national certifications including one in power engineering. Enough said about that.

As you may realize the top end of efficiency is around 55% as determined by Carnot. I am told that they have done slightly better than that using a fluid of special properties. Some turbine now can condenses about 10% of the steam in the turbine yet I have never heard the claim that it produces power from that.

My initial test showed a pressure drop of about 25 to 1 on water and then air. My first proto-types were not good enough to take power from. I did not have the tools to produce something good enough at the time. This time is quickly approaching. I bought a mini lathe mill combo! The initial test did prove that it would function as I had theorized.

Here is the part I am hoping I can prove with testing. The condensing part, if you understand engines you probably understand this is usually an area of difficulty. My turbine will have no difficultly running on vapor, liquid or any combination of the two. It should have no difficulty turning critical pressure super-heated steam into sub-cooled liquid during the transfer of energy. If the latent heat is transfered in the form of work current thermodynamic equations will not work to provide an efficiency. Total enthalpy will have to be used, that is entering compared to leaving.

My current dilemma (as if money and time were not always the problem) is in testing the latent heat theory. I do not have a steam boiler at home and my funds have dwindled since the last $6000 check to the patent attorney. I could easily make a boiler, it just takes a little more time then I have. Do not worry I have run high pressure boilers for years and realize the safety concerns.

Steam is not a requirement, it would be easiest to figure out a mass flow rate. Ideally I would like to run an Organic Rankin Cycle.

Comments are welcome.

Don't sweat the spelling. One of the best engineers I've ever met couldn't spell worth a damn - and he couldn't care less! The guy couldn't find his ass with both hands and searchlights when it came to money management either. So what does he do? Farm it out. Lots of others can do this, so let 'em. They can't engineer, and he can't spell and can't balance a checkbook. So what? If somebody else can sweat these details you can't, then let them sweat the details. Hire a secretary and a good CPA. That's what they do; you do engineering. If someone here wants to knock your spelling, maybe it's because they don't have anything better to do than to take your board, find its thinnest part, and drill a great many holes where the drilling is easiest.

@turbine,

if you comes not to "end"

try an german/international forum

to offer your invention.

G.D.Pese

g-d@triercity.de

This sounds very much like Nikola Tesla's Bladeless Turbine from 100 years ago. Wonderful stuff, but the only people developing it are the Tesla Engine Builders group. I am fascinated by its simplicity myself, and tesla claimed it had a 10 times improvement in efficiency over bladed turbines! I am interested in finding out more about your invention.

chrisg288

chrisg288@hotmail.com

Hey I guess this was a good idea, I have been contacted by someone that may invest. One condition is that I do not talk about it any more. Sorry guys.

more bs

200mpg carburetor any one

This is a turbine I am anxious to see! Come back and post the patent in pdf format as did "Atmospheric Cold Megawatts did with their patent which can be downloaded at: http://www.coldenergyllc.com/ACMPatent.pdf The main site for "ACM is: http://www.coldenergy.com/default.htm

As to patents in general: A patent once issued is a very expensive piece of paper. It has no intrinsic value and it's potential value cannot be realized until it can be sold, leased, or licensed to someone to manufacture the product it protects.

I wish you well for rapid approval and issuance of said patent at an early date, at a minimum of expense. Then the members of CR4 can evaluate your turbine and comment.

Lots of luck, you're going to need it.

I am interested in funding this project.

Jaynewtechnology@yahoo.com

If you go ahead in contact with new "energy man", and of course, if his invent would be not a single "positive displace pumb" ( Please, check kind of fluid pump name in your country ) we would lake to talk about business in Brazil. Contact us throught acquaway@acquaway.ind.br - Vasconcelos, Fernando. If you shall be able to translate, our web page is 95% in portuguese language, in the same domain adress ( URL ) in the Internet.

Private Research Co. has developed advanced ducted fan propulsion , for lift and propulsion in use of UAV aircraft. If this of interest, I will mail some information to the proper person.

Yours truly,

Leo J. Caton Jr. catval@humboldt1.com

I am interested

my e-mail is csimpson@isystems.cl

fone 56-2-4386105

Best regards

You claim your turbine is very/super efficient. Is this claim based on actual measurements? If so, can you tell us this figure, expressed as a percent? Would you please describe, in adequate detail, how you determined this efficiency? Also, would you please explain what, specifically, you mean when you say "it can convert latent heat energy?" Please describe a working example of this conversion process. What goes in and what comes out would be a nice starting point.

And finally, can your claims be verified - without your assistance - by an independent third party?

Just pretend I'm a venture capitalist who might have an interest in your work.

The difference in the properties of the fluid in, out and the mass flow rate. This will tell me the energy given up by the working fluid. I need to determine torque at a given rpm or possible watts if I know the efficiency of the generator. These two should give me enough to determine thermal efficiency and the amount of energy conversion that took place. Correct? I believe temperature in K will not be enough because the thermal dynamic properties of the fluid will change and difference in total enthalpy will have to be used along with the mass flow rate.

Perhaps the statement should have been " believe that it can covert latent heat energy" should have been used because I am just to the testing phase now. I do appreciate your comments. All the work that I have done points in the direction of latent heat conversion yet it is all the theory until I prove it and it can be repeated.

Are you interesting in inventions on power conversion (power electronics)?

We have a very good one. It provides a constant current from lower voltage to higher voltage (for example, from 10V to 15V). We have a working prototype and PCT Application (published). This is a boost converter with a continuous output current.

I will be pleased to send you further information if needed.

Best Regards,

Krass, yikras@mail.ru

Maybe you'd be interested in Mr. Pantone? 200 mpg I think he's up to now!!!!

http://www.geet-pantone.com/index.html

I am engineering a new device to generate large amounts of elecrical enegry. This is not anything new from a physical or technological perspective, but a clever way of assembling existing systems and devices already in use today in such a way as to produce energy in a much more efficient manner. ALL of the components, however, will be strictly of current technology. UNLESS someone like yourself comes up with AN IMPROVED VERSION of one of the components. AS IT HAPPENS, a turbine is one of the components that will be required. Current turbines would work, but if you have a better one I am definitely interested. I am also still seeking helpers to fine-tune and complete the actual design of a prototype of this device. And I have even bought land to build one on. This is not a drill or a joke to me. I am interested in your better turbine. My email address is strainpe@charter.net. Let me know more.

I wish you can do the device you are doing. Please informa us about the system you are engineering. Acquaway is looking for such systems for 300 KW minimum power output in 60 Hz. You can see some informations about us. Please, click ENGLISH LINK, in our WEB site, main page. Fernando: acquaway@acquaway.ind.br

I am researching a unique Stirling Engine design and have quickly found myself out of my depth. I know enough to objectively evaluate my ideas. I even know what sorts of things are mechanically feisible from a manufacturing standpoint; however, it has been really hard to make progress without the ability to openly discuss it with various experts, many of whom are reluctant to sign non-disclosure agreements. A provisional Patent is an extremely easy solution to this problem. The requirements are much easier than for a regular patent application.

A Provisional patent can be filed in the United States by any individual or small business for $100. That gives you a year to file a non-provisional patent application that will have a priority date from when the provisional patent was filed. Best of all you are not bound to a Stylesheet. You must simply write a coherent description of your ideas, complete with any needed illustrations to clarify your statements. You don't even need a patent search, or a prior art statement!

Unlike non-provisional patents, Provisional patents are held in confidence by the Patent office for one year.

Thank you for your reply. I also went the way of the provisional; however, be careful. You have one year from the date of the filing to file your US and PCT (international filing). If for some reason you do not have the money or things work slower than you think they should, and they will, you will still have to file by the one year dead line or lose the filing date as start of your patent protection.

I during that year I did find several engineers that signed NDA's and was able to discuss my invention and defend it. This is important, a good idea needs to be critically assessed. You will never sell a licence agreement if you do not fully understand all aspects of the device. This may be difficult as well, in my case I do need a PHD in physics to fully describe a portion of the turbine. I understand what is happening I just can't describe in Mathematically and neither could the engineers that have helped me. This puts us in a very odd position. Universities like to claim any new intellectual developments. So if you do find a Professor that has the time and interest to work on you project, you will have to be very careful or you could lose valuable intellectual property concerning your device. I taught at a University for four years.

As far as patents go, shop around. My local attorney wanted $20,000 and did not fully understand the concepts. I did find one that filed the US and PCT for an initial $6,000. Keep in mind that this is an initial cost, there are parts about the filing that could cost more, a lot more. The strength of your patent is partly based on dependent and independent claims. For the regular filing you may have three independent claims and twenty dependant claims. You may make more claims; however, they will cost you more. I believe it is $175 for each additional independent and $25 for each dependant. This could add up real fast.

I hope this was helpful. I realize that most of the time we just need someone to say, "hey that is a good idea". This often gives us the energy to overcome obstacles and continue the fight.

We understand you are 100% right about Patents. This matter is very, very commom for all inventors. We ask what will happen to you if any one in the world has a similar Patent minutes filed before you ? In Internet times, we change our mind about Patent. At first we try a capital join venture to make a miniature model and them a application design stands for a select business. Sure, it means mechanical engineer data. Second, we order Nacional Patent asking for Internacional Patent looking for deals. However, this is a challenge enterprise. If we can´t get a deal we lost our time and of course our money.

We hope you reached your target again. May be some day we can talk about business with your turbine. Regards: acquaway@acquaway.ind.br Fernando Happy new year !

Mr. Turbine:

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Hopefully you 'announcement' is not a premature one.

Post the Patent Number so we can all see the details ASAP!

We are all waiting anxiously.

Guest

pls tell me more.....

bruce borkosky

drborkosky@embarqmail.com

Perhaps- we are in the turbine efficiency business and always consider new things- please have a look at us www.braytonenergy.com thanks

John Karp

Operations Manager

Hey super guy: I need the turbine now. is it a tesla turbine design. contact me at ffalztarks@hotmail.com

Can you send me more info on this?

Polrick@earthlink.net

Is it a water turbine or a for other fluid

Is it a hydraulic turbine or any othr type?

I am in the business of matching inventors with investors, industrial partners, and customers. Can you share any details on your invention? Best contact for me is jacktymann@aol.com

Jack Tymann, Chairman

SEP (Sustainable Energy Partners) World, LLC

http://www.firstfloridabiofuels.com/

I am in the business of matching inventors with investors, industrial partners, and customers in the field of sustainable energy. Can you send us some more info on your invention?

Jack Tymann, Chairman

SEP (Sustainable Energy partners) World, LLC

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