Previous in Forum: Chemical Recovery System   Next in Forum: Diesel Engine Generator
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Israel
Posts: 19

Spot Welding Issue

11/17/2006 1:53 PM

Hi,

After inspecting a pilot batch of aluminum chassis spot welding results,

there is dirt residue black burnt areas that can be cleaned mechanically only.

Please provide a chemical solution to this cleaning issue.

Best Regards

Liron

myemail@netvision.net.il

__________________
10 Eliyahoo Berlin Street TLV
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Anonymous Poster
#1

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/17/2006 7:09 PM

I would recommend preventing the contamination that is causing the black spots in your weld. I'm unsure of how you are spotwelding this chassis but the aluminum you are welding and the electrode holder/filler material must be very clean to prevent this. Also, the shielding gas must be flowing correctly and be of good quality. A good chemical washdown prior to welding should fix this problem. I have used acetone in the past, but it is very flammable so use extreme caution. There may be a more appropriate cleaner for industrial use that may be safer. Good luck!

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Israel
Posts: 19
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/18/2006 6:10 AM

Hi, Thank you very kindly for your input. I am quite sure that there is no filler agent

in the process should one be ?

Regards

Liron

__________________
10 Eliyahoo Berlin Street TLV
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Israel
Posts: 19
#8
In reply to #1

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/25/2006 12:32 PM

Hi,

Can you please recommend on the welding firm you have experience with, I wish to offer future needs in low volumes of enclosures, (10s to 100s).

Regards

Liron

__________________
10 Eliyahoo Berlin Street TLV
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5916
Good Answers: 204
#3

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/18/2006 10:44 AM

I used to do some aluminum welding making solar glazings, and in additon to the welding, we had to cleanse the aluminum of all oxides before we could use double sided adhesives to bond the glazing films (tedlar and teflon)

We used a product called MEK. or Methyl Ethyl Ketone. but also used wire brushes on the welds.

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Israel
Posts: 19
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/18/2006 6:59 PM

Hi Criss,
MEK is a powerful cleaning and diluent/solvent chemical for sure .
I once supervised maint.-team where MEK used to drain and cleanse industrial inkjets (Image FR) that uses polarized inks else, wire brushes are the perdominent tool in the welding industry which I try to avoid on hitech chassis. I would greatly appreciate any additional information in the future.

Best Regards

Liron
myemail@netvision.net.il

__________________
10 Eliyahoo Berlin Street TLV
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/18/2006 9:27 PM

When using wire brushes, what are the risks (if any) of brush metal left behind?

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5916
Good Answers: 204
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/18/2006 9:36 PM

We used to use a cup shaped wire brush about 3" dia. for our tasks, there were no bristles left residually in the welded joints, although the brushes did shed bristles... eye protection is critical for this reason. I even recommmend glasses and face shield. A flying piece of wire in the eye is not pleasant.

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 49
#7

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/20/2006 10:38 PM

Muriatic acid also works well. But like MEK there are the health issues. You would need rubber gloves, safety goggles, face shield and apron. Also very good ventilation and/or appropriate respirator

__________________
Maintenance Mechanic
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Rush CO 38*50'48.12"N 104*05'50.9"W 6032ft elv. the "high plains" of eastern Colorado
Posts: 57
#9
In reply to #7

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/27/2006 10:42 AM

The most common cleaner(etchant) for aluminum is a dilute Phosphoric Acid. Rinse with de-Ionized water, a quick wipe with MEK then assures a very clean surface

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Allentown, Pa USA
Posts: 46
#10

Re: Spot Welding Issue

11/28/2006 10:20 PM

You never did mention what welding method you are using. I would recommend a totally fluxless welding method such as TIG or very good MIG( Tig preferred).

If you cannot change welding methods I would recommend blasting with glass as the grit which is lighter on metals than most acids and it can be done robotically.

__________________
Things to do today: Stand up for what I believe in, remember where I came from, help another human, learn something new, have fun.
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 10 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

68torino (1); Anonymous Poster (2); chrisg288 (2); rollinshultz (1); shart4legged (1); user-deleted-1113 (3)

Previous in Forum: Chemical Recovery System   Next in Forum: Diesel Engine Generator

Advertisement