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DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

04/20/2009 1:25 PM

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We are fabricating a C.S. Vessel with Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) weld overlay only on flange faces. We want to carry Post weld heat treatment on this Vessel but temperature limit of DSS is 410 deg.C while my PWHT cycle is 610 deg.C for 1hr.

As per table UG 66.1 I can reduce PWHT temperature only by 111 deg.C.

I have to put weld overlay before PWHT because I have to machine flange faces for required surface finish, so the option of using buttering layer of 409 has been ruled out.

Can anybody suggest a suitable alternative for PWHT with DSS Overlay?

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Re: DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

04/21/2009 9:34 AM

I've thought through this puzzle before and have a couple of suggestions.

One way through is the 309 layer, PWHT, DSS overlay, and use portable machining centers to make the flange faces.

Another thought is to see whether the neck to flange welds require PWHT (if the weld is less than 1-1/2"). If they don't, weld the DSS faced nozzles on after PWHT. This won't be an option if the PWHT is for process reasons.

The other way through is to use a high nickel alloy that is compatible with your process but that doesn't have the sensitization issues (Alloy 600, G series, C series, etc...). I don't know which one to suggest - ask your customer or a metallurgist.

It is usually critical that the DSS does not see the PWHT temperature. However, as the DSS is on the gasket face only it may be there to prevent crevice corrosion under the gasket. It may still be suitable for this function after PWHT. Ask your customer or a metallurgist on this one.

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Re: DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

04/21/2009 10:26 AM

Thanks Lawrence,

PWHT is due to process requirement, so I can not weld nozzles after PWHT though it is the most suitable option.

I'll have to go for Alloy 825 Weld overlay.

Thanks for your valuable suggestion

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Re: DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

05/19/2014 10:25 PM

Hi Lawrence, Is there any mistake on the Mechie's post since he referring to the UG 66.1? I couln't find UG 66.1 in the code. For PWHT table is found in table UCS-56-1 to UCS-56-9, is't it? How could he reduce the temperature of PWHT? However, how I know which i should refer to the table UCS-56 for PWHT since there has nine table listed there?

I have an extra question regarding the slip on question. In Figure UW-21, it stated that the minimum welding dimension is the lesser or tn or 6mm and Xmin is the lesser of 1.4 tn or the thickness of hub.

Let's say the thickness of the nozzle is 8.18 mm, so the minimum welding dimension is 6 mm and the x min is 11.452 (approx 12) mm, am i right? So what is the gap distance between the slip on flange and the flange top? 6 mm + 1.5 mm = 9 mm ?

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Re: DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

05/20/2014 9:07 AM

You are correct, the proper reference is Figure UCS-56.1. (Probably just a typo, as Mechie has the maximum reduction correct.)

I concur with your weld sizes: 6 mm on the inside and 11.452 mm (12) on the outside. I don't see a pipe end to flange face distance in UW-21. Check in B16.5 for any guidance. If there is none there, I'd suggest ASME Appendix 2, Figure 2-4(3) for guidance.

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Re: DSS Weld Overlay - Problems With PWHT

05/20/2014 12:29 PM

My inner and outer weld size is 6 mm and 11.452 (12 mm ) respectively. Yea UW-21 is never mention but Appendix 2.

According to appendix 2 Figure 2-4 (3), the maximum spacing between the slip on flange and the nozzle end is tn + 6mm. Thus , in my case the maximum distance is 6 + 6 = 12 mm.

Please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks!

Extra question: Is there has any minimum nozzle size in the ASME Code? As per my knowledge, it should have not right ?

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05/20/2014 1:34 PM

6+6=12 looks right per Figure 2-4(3).

I don't believe that there is a minimum nozzle size. Table UG-45 goes down to NPS 1/8" [DN 6], which, I believe is the smallest size made. UG-36(b)(1) & (2) state that properly reinforced openings are not limite as to size... There are some restrictions on larger sizes, but not in the small direction.

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05/27/2014 10:53 PM

Hi Lawrence,

I have some questions about UG-36(C)(3)(d).

The two 11/2" (DN40) nozzle is having different reinforcement area in Compress Codeware. The setting is exactly the same but one is exempted from UG-36(C)(3)(a) but another is calculated the reinforcement area. Is this related to UG-36(C)(3)(d) which cluster of nozzles un-reinforced opening in a row? But I don't really understand , can you explain to me? :)

Sorry and Many Thanks!

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05/28/2014 8:50 AM

I don't know Compress enough to answer.

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05/28/2014 11:20 AM

Sorry for the disturb Lawrence. Many Thanks! :)

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04/21/2009 11:02 AM

Glad to be of help.

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