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SMPS in series connection

05/09/2009 2:52 AM

Hi to all!!!'

I wish to have some guidance on power supply connection...

On of our Industrial poduct need to have 36 Volt DC, 10 Amp power supply.

We are thinking to connects 3 no.s of 12volt DC, 10 Amp SMPS in SERIES to get 36V, 10 A output.

Does it practically safe (other than econmical espects) to use 3 serially connected SMPS for Industrial use ?

Does such power supply have operational problem in future ?

Pls share your experience....

Thanks & regards...

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05/09/2009 5:52 AM

A few catly comments.
It's ok in theory, but check the power supply handbook.
It's probably not good practice as it won't be possible to stabilise the actual total output voltage (e.g each supply is stabilising it's own output and there is no overall voltage sense input)

Similarly with current control, as each power supply tries to react to the current drawn the 3 separate control systems my fight eachother.

To sumarise. It would probably work for a quick test set up or to get you out of trouble, but it's a bad idea as an installation.

Laboratory bench power supplies are often connected in series where several different power rails are required, say -15, +15, +30.

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05/10/2009 10:24 AM

GA from me.

its also possible that there may be some oscillation between the seperate power Supplies.

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05/10/2009 6:40 PM

Andy - did you give Del that GA? If so, someone has come along and slapped it down (coz as I type, he ain't got nun on this fred). Just interested (and a bit tired).

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05/11/2009 3:50 AM

Maybe I forgot, I will do it again to make sure.....thanks for the tip.

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05/09/2009 6:21 AM

As Del says, check the PSU manual. Most SMPSUs have isolated outputs, but if not you're on a non-starter.

You may be able to stabilize the outputs if the PSUs have voltage sense inputs.

Run a string of three 1k resistors from the +ve sense input of the 'top' PSU to the -ve sense input of the 'bottom' PSU. Connect -ve sense of top PSU and +ve sense of middle PSU to junction of top & middle resistors, -ve sense of middle & +ve sense of bottom PSUs to junction of middle & bottom resistors. Also connect +ve sense of top PSU to +ve of load, and -ve sense of bottom PSU to -ve of load. It may help.

(Wish I'd drawn it now - it would've been quicker than all that explaining. Del, d'you still use that tablet thing? Haven't seen any offerings for a while)

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05/09/2009 7:27 AM

yeah, havn't used it for a while...been playing with latest toy...camera instead

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05/09/2009 8:03 AM

Hmm ... camera ... let's try the webcam ...

... hmm . Oh, well, kinda gives the idea. Damned site quicker than mucking about with the Fuji.

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05/09/2009 8:43 AM

With black ink, a camera stand, focusing + some decent lighting, could be the way forward?

(This is hand-held with a bit of daylight from the window, but is starting to show promise. Got any good ideas as to where to pick up a chem. lab clamp-stand?)

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05/09/2009 8:45 AM

C'mon you should be in the picture, holding the pad and waving...Where is your sense of theatre?
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05/10/2009 10:24 AM

Bin a long, hard week. Just occurred to me that I'm sitting next to an effing scanner! .

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05/10/2009 9:46 AM

I strongly advise you not to connect power supplies either in parallel or in series unless so recommended by the particular manufacturer. There are many many variations of familes of powersupply designs. Apart from the manufacturer, only an expert in Power Supply can advise you on your series problem, that too on studying the detailed circuit diagram of the particular model including the thermal design.

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05/10/2009 10:50 AM

It is remarkably simple to build a Switched mode PS with modern chips, I recently built a 10 amp programmable (for voltage output) power supply of this type designed by and published by the Elektor Magazine. Its uses two identical, easily obtainable chips and a handful of other components.....Worked immediately.....its easily programmed by a few resistor values.

The PCB comes from the company that supplies PCBs to Elektor, for the USA I believe there is another supplier. You also need a 10 amp output transformer of around 36 volts....so around 230 watts or better, either 110/36 or 230/36. A toroidal transformer would be best.....and physically smaller and lighter I believe as well as giving far lower emissions....

The chips are fully short circuit and over temperature safe.

For 10 amp output, a cooling fin is recommended and a tiny fan in a box with ventilation holes. The chips used can safely supply up to 40 odd volts.....A "bigger Brother" version can be programmed to supply up to 60 volts if needed.

The chips used can each supply up to 5 amps, which is why Elektor used two of them for 10 amps. The supply was originally designed for a HiFi system, so is of really high quality and has really low noise......

If anyone is interested, just send me your private email addresses via the CR4 mail system....and mention exactly what you need:- "The Elektor power supply .pdf."

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05/10/2009 11:53 PM

Open SMPS and check out put Fast recovery diodes. If diodes voltage rating is more than 50V you can series without any problem. good luck!

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