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Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

06/04/2009 5:00 AM

I am a test technician who is testing the lifetime of an axial piston(plunger) pump. I am wondering what the failure mode in field is. Because my test result is the wear failure in piston shoes but many peaple say that it could be different from that in field.

Which is true?

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Re: The main failure mode in an axial piston(plunger) pump?

06/04/2009 5:34 AM

Pumping against a "dead end" will certainly result in damage, though the failure mode will only be determined by field trials....

What evidence is there for field failures, and what can be drawn from the data?

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Re: The main failure mode in an axial piston(plunger) pump?

06/04/2009 7:47 AM

You are dead right.

This is the problem we are facing day in and out in our plunger pumps(they are dadial piston), but doesnot matter in this aspect,

The seats and the pistons are too prone for wear damage. The catalogue says the filtration of 10μ, but even that does not help.

It is apart of our equipment, where hydrostatic bearings are being fed by these pumps (pressure about 100 atm)

We are insisting now on the kidney loop electrostatic filtration along with our normal basket filter, that has been put in position (at our cost of course, since we have to satisfy the customer, and you can not have a multi million dollar equipments on break down, so a few thousands we are losing , but then our loss is his gain, and may be more business for us, thats how things go)

But to be back on topic, the story is, there are suspended particles in the fluid (size does not matter) - that goes in and gets compressed between the seat and piston.

Seat is usually brass. So gets embedded. Piston wears out, So does the seat, and pump starts developing erratic pressure (in fact erratic flow but that is signalled as erratic pressure) - drop in pressure in one head, highly fluctuating in some (in fact the fluctuation has damaged and even bend the needles of the pressure gauge) and things like that.

Fortunately there is a standby, and also both out means the equipment trips.

And the average life, after the equipment stabilises is 6 months in 24x7 service. (there was a case when the customer didn't go for the initial flushing cycle and got a pump off on day1, replacement in same day, and like that first 5 in a week (and we had to replace them). Proofs are there, (the contamination and the wears were clear when we dismantled the pumps, but again as I said, those are all secondary)

The working condition here are all with fine and highly abrasive particles, added up with all those cements and sands that they have managed to put in the equipments, kept a couple of seals unsealed (open man holes, seal air not charged ...).

This is all first hand story of last year (or rather fact? story means something else )

Recently after the kidney loop electroststic, we are observing, But it will take time.

Hence my experience (this is field on a running equipment with piston pump) is

a) failure of Piston an seat most frequent

b) failure of spring, aided by the wear due to the abrasive particles running by with oil is next,

c) A few others too, like the seating of piston (misaligned during running), spring jammed in the guide, etc are a bit rare, but do exist.

BTW: there is a relief valve in our pump outlet, immediately after, to take care of the choking/ exigencies.

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

06/04/2009 10:46 AM

It's been my experience that the main faillure mode for Axial Piston Pumps running Hydraulic oil is contamination from poor filtration practices.

Contamination plugs the Orifice in the Piston that feeds oil to te Shoe and allows the Shoe to ride against the Swash Plate instead of floating as designed. You can see my understanding of the process on Page 8-12 Fig. 8-22 and the text in my basic Fluid Power book here, http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/200/eBooks/ At least that was how it was explained to me by a knowledgeable person.

I always use a 3 Micron Off-Line filter circuit that is around 10% higher flow than the Axial Piston Pump in the circuit and send this filtered oil to tank through a Back Pressure Check Valve with a 10 PSI Spring. This Off-Line filter circuit feeds the Piston Pump with a 10 PSI positive Inlet Pressure so it always/only receives ample filtered Oil.

I have had excellent service from Axial and Bent Axis Hydraulic pumps with this setup. Many have run 24/7 at 3,000 PSI for years.

Not cheap to clean the oil at startup, may use 10-20 3 Micron filters on a 200 Gallon tank, but it's a lot cheaper than buying pumps and all the lost production caused by frequent failures.

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

06/09/2009 3:39 AM

Your E-book is intereting. I will sometimes refer to it. Thanks.

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

06/04/2009 1:29 PM

If it is a hydraulic axial piston pump the failures depend-in the field- mostly of the filtering quality i.e. how fine is the oil filtered and how much dirt remains. Hydraulic pumps do not come to a dead end but because they work with very fine gaps (in the range of less 10 µm) and need oil as lubricant in those gaps if dirt comes in less oil flows and scorring can occur. Dirt has also an increasing effect on wear and increases gaps and related leaks. If you obtained piston shoes wear and destruction there are several reasons but one of the most probable is the low viscosity of oil in the gap reducing the oil film portance. Either the oil did not have the right viscosity or you run it too hot.

An other wear is the mirror wear in the zones whare the barrel goes from high pressure to low pressure. The high pressure jets destroy the plate and again increase leaks. Presence of dirt will accelerate the process.

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Thanks a lot, Gurus

06/09/2009 3:37 AM

I appreciate that all answers helped. Take care.

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

06/29/2012 4:47 PM

I have a linde HPR100 mounted on a Caterpillar 245B excavator.

There was a failure on april 2011: Pictures

It was replaced by a new one and on march 2012 was broken again. We repaired it and it has happened again (with less damage) it looks like the piston shoes were pulled away.

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06/30/2012 10:30 AM

Pad rims are broken ! This only can happen when the pad cannot tilt as it should and it cannot tilt when it gets not enough oil to build up a porting oil layer. This can happen when the orifice is clogged by dirt. It appears that your oil is not as clean as Linde asks for and may be you even have a too thin oil. Any way the working conditions do NOT correspond to at least normal not to speak about optimal.

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07/02/2012 4:40 AM

dirt... that's what we thought last time, so the hydraulic system oil and filters were changed, and filters were checked and changed about 3 weeks afterwards, with no dirt found. It has been working with no problems for years and i 1 year we have had to change it twice. Oil follows Caterpillar indications.

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07/02/2012 10:36 AM

Dirt is not always "dirt". In hydraulics the dangerous dirt is the very very fine one in the µm and subµm range. When dirt is fine it cannot be even seen if the quantity is not big.

There is at the distribution windows a jet wear to notice which is in general generated by cavitation and erosion due to a jet + dirt particles.

In general when a sliding pair fails the main reason is that the lubricator (oil) layer is not thick enough and roughnesses do touch. This can occur when the oil layer is interrupted, oil is too hot and viscosity too low, when oil carries hard particles which harm the surface (mirror) so that the oil layer can break. Do you make maintenance with original parts ?

Can you make pictures of sliding surface with more details ? and the windows at their ends where the erosion occurs ?

What kind of filter do you have ? How fine and which is its beta factor ?

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

07/09/2012 5:06 AM

I added more pics at

Swing pump CAT-245-1sj

:( i'm afraid my new camera is not so good taking very close pictures!

the sliding surface doesn't show wear, but scratches caused by the steel of the pistons after the brass piston shoes were destroyed.

I don't see any erosion at the pistons oriffices.

Oil is as caterpillar recommendations.

I'm not sure about the quality of the filters.. they were not original, but next time i'll try caterpillar high eficiency filters.

This machine has more axial piston pumps but we only have problem with this one. we have a similar excavator using same oil & filters and didn't have such problem.

The first time (april 2011) we bought a whole "original" pump.. but now i start thinking it wasn't original and i'm getting very angry with my dealer.

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Re: Axial Piston Pumps and Field Failures

07/09/2012 6:10 AM

1st remark: the different colors of the sliding pads. 2nd the wear is characteristic for a loss of oil portance which leads to local contact of sliding surfaces and to the generation of wear particles which contribute further to the oil layer destruction. This leads further to local temperature rise and viscosity reduction correlated to loss of portance. What I am surprised is that you came to such destruction since as soon as the pad does not work properly any more you get a loss of flow ans thus performance. I am pretty sure that 1- filtering was NOT correct and 2- the pump was a geometric copy without any respect of material quality. If you have the possibility it would be good to let the different pads be analysed and compare with original parts. If it is the only pump suffering then the whole circuit has to be analysed and sealing of cylinders checked or motors or piping. Clean oil is the ONLY way to get long service.

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